The Lowering Thread

[Tuscan]

I thought i'd just share afew things with the basic model owners, as i always see the same questions being asked about wheels, lowering etc and i have my car for a while now so i think i can be quite helpful to tose of you newbie sout there ;)

- If you didn't already know, the rear arches on the basic models (1.1's, diesels etc) are flat, unlike the arches on the higher spec 106's (Gti's,Xsi's,Quicksilver's.) wich have a more "round" cut out, underneath the Bodykit arches that are clipped over the top.
The rear end is also fitted with a "torsion bar" instead of convential springs like most other cars.
All information on torsion bars is available below. Dont attempt to fiddle with the torsion bar unless you are a competent d.i.y mechanic as its a very hard joba dn can be dangerous!
Expect to apy anything from £100-150 for a good job.
DO NOT allow the car to be lowered via the "notches" method.
(Ask your mechanic before work is carried out)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_beam_suspension

- Here is an overlap drawing of the two types of arch found on the 106.
Yo help you understand, the blue and green section is a higher spec, round arch. Found on the GTi's,Rallye's,Quicksilver's etc.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/arch6xz.jpg

- When lowering a basic model 106, people always get themsleves in a muddle, and alot of people say you can't even lower them. Well thats rubbish!

- However, there are afew important factors to consider when lowering the rear end of a basic model 106.

1. Offset
The offset of the wheel MUST be correct if you want to lower the car.

- For those of you who don't know what the "offset" of a wheel is, il say it as cleary as i can.

Its How far out, OR, how far in, the wheels sit
E.g
A wheel with an offset of 5 (Et 5), will look like this...very wide. (The trend for the euro scene)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/5door4.jpg

The correct offset for the 106 is between 13 - 18mm.
18mm being the maximum offset, before the wheels sit too far inwards and begin to rub on the other moving parts.
13mm offset being the maximum for the higher spec 106's, as the arches are a different shape.

A wheel with the correct offset of 18mm (Et18), will look like this.
(This is on my own car)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/deck3.jpg
(More inforamtion on wheel offset can be found here)
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=101

*Note: The small gap from the edge of the tyre, to the the edge of the arch.
A wheel with an offset over 18mm wouldn't fit under the arch!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/archclose.jpg

Underneath the car,you can see how important the offset is, because the wheels sit very close to other parts of the car.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/under.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/under3.jpg

2. PCD
As with all Peugeots, the PCD ( Pitch Circle Diameter), of the wheels MUST be 4x108.
Put more cleary, PCD is basically the bolt pattern for the wheel.
In our case: 4 studs, each 108mm apart from each other.

More information is available here.
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/wheeloffset.html

3. Size
Size matters. As a common rule, 106's shouldn't really have wheels larger then 15" for reason stated below.(especially base models).
However, you will see show cars rolling on 18's, or Euro cars sittin lower than your Grannie's nipples on 13's.
At the end of the day , its all down to perosnal choice ;)

Trying to fit a 16"+ wheel under the arch isn't going to be easy with a lowered base model.
Your realistic target is 15s, with 16's an outside bet unless your planning ons oem body work.
With larger wheels it will scrape on the inner arch lining (a type of inner mud gaurd in the arch) , so those speed bumps on your way to work will become a nightmare. Not to mention a 3 point turn...although passers by will get a nice look at your new investments :)
On the dangerous side, you could risk a blow-out at high speed if something makes to much contact :'(
Think about it..

Also, fitting bigger wheels effects the acceleration, handling, and looks of the car.
A 106 with 17" wheels isn't going to accelarate faster than a 106 with 15" wheels!

Another side effect of bigger wheels, is that your car will seem to go slower on the speedo, due to the effects of the mechanical speedometer drive... So best to keep em smaller guys.

As for how low to lower the car,well thats upto you. But here are afew notes.
You can fit lowering springs or a full suspension kit (Springs with uprated shock absorbers).

It is a common rule that once u lower the car more than 40mm, you should upgrade the shock absorbers.
This is true, because the original shocks arn't meant to damp at that rate,causing them to bleed out over afew months, and ultimately fail to operate on the car.
Suspension kits range in the region of £250 for a decent kit.
The springs on their own range from 20mm to 60mm, and full kits form 30mm-60mm.

Although 60mm may sound alot to lower the car,In actual fact its not if you have a 1.1/base model.
Some company's (usually the 1's charging more for the product) specify springs and kits for different models.
E.g GTi,1.4, 1.1
This is because the GTi 1.6 16v engine weighs more than the 1.1 8v engine. So fitting some 60mm springs for GTi wont lower your 1.1 60mm, as the engine isn't heavy enough to acheive the FULL lowering from the spring.

However, other company's simply specify for how low the springs are despite engine weights.

If you have any unanswered questions on the base model 106, plz ask and il add them to this post.
Cheers

[Raz]

Great mate, thanks for taking the time out to do that!

Raz

[Tuscan]

Cheers m8, just thought id help afew people out.

[Dan]

Thats a good post man for the 1.1 folk. :)

[clarkey]

One question are the rear arches different on series 2 106's i used to own a zest 2 a few years ago now have a gti and never thought about the difference until now?

[Tuscan]

Yes, i explained with the 1st picture of the over lapping drawings. base models are flat, high spec are roun arched with a bodykit arch attached over the top.

[Tim]

thats some great info mate. alot of unanswered questions answered, well done :D

[Fuzzy Orange]

Only one thing mate

You've got your offsets wrong :)

The ET18 bit means its 18mm resessed from the hub
So the LARGER the offset the CLOSER the wheel sits into the car

18mm is as close as you can get to the inner arch - and is right for base models as they have flat rear arches
On a quiky/gti/rallye you can get away with up to 13mm offset as the arches flare out slightly

Just so you know :)

[Luke]

Great info there dude! nice one

[JamesL]

Thanks mate, Will come in useful soon

[Tuscan]

Sorted now. Cheers Fuzz, u no wot im chaffing on about tho lol

[elinchick]

Ok- so I wanna get some lowering springs but I havnt a clue ???
What do you guys recommend? Dont want anything too expensive and I dont want them to be too firm.
Thanks peeps
Elin :-*

[James]

u forgot all the info i gave u already!

[Dan]

Eibach are the best. :)

[James.G]

eibach sportline :) then combine them with bilstein inserts ;)

[Tuscan]

Is that from personal experience you 2? Or because their just the most expensive?

[elinchick]

u forgot all the info i gave u already!


Noooo James darlin ;D you are my Messiah! Im just curious as to what people have got.......
what was it you got again James? ???

[James.G]

Is that from personal experience you 2? Or because their just the most expensive?


personal experience... what would be the point in saying it if i didnt know they where good?

and they arnt the most expensive.

[Tuscan]

Nah i was just saying m8 because most ppl presume the most expensive is the best....wich it kinda is but u no wot im saying lol

- Im fitting some G-Max 60mm springs 2mz. Thanks to Lacey ;)

I dont recommend P.I at all!

[hugh_106]

Mine are AVO 60mm (GTi) springs, which lowered mine 35-45ish. Take a look at the meet. Can't complain with them. Spax also seem good for the money. Eibach springs are expensive and PI and Gmax aren't.

[foster-12]

I dont reccoment G-max, have got 55mm 1ns on mine and its only a lil bit lower than was without them.

[mat106]

Ive got g-max 35mm ones off a 1.1 on my 1.6, it is a very hard ride but it is very low. I have some ventura ones to fit soon and that will raise it back up to 35mm and as they are progressivly wound then the ride should be better. If you can get progressivly wound ones then i would recommend them as they are better than normal ones.

[Tuscan]

Well iv just taken out my P.I 45m springs wich were SHIT! My car wasn't even lowered by them.

Just fitted some 60mm spax springs and there quality! Real low now 8)

[JamesL]

Eibach are good mate.

[Freedo]

imo stay away from p.i and g max as i have heard they sometimes snap! :o

i have eibach pro kit springs atm which are slightly stiffer then standard and "lower" the car by around 30mm.

[Dan]

Eibach from experience mate.

I had G Max before and they made me feel sea sick.

[Lacey]

Nah i was just saying m8 because most ppl presume the most expensive is the best....wich it kinda is but u no wot im saying lol

- Im fitting some G-Max 60mm springs 2mz. Thanks to Lacey ;)

I dont recommend P.I at all!



no, i disagree... g-max are good, my ex has them on his 306 and it handles so nicely, just very firm..... although if you want it sporty and handle well round corners then g-max are good.... but maybe not if you live in the sticks and have pot hole after pot hole..... and they shouldn't snap.... i've never heard of that specific brand being prone to snapping.

[hugh_106]

Got to admit, I've heard of G-Max snapping as well, on a 306. They sunk slowly then gave in and snapped. Not sure if that is another example or the same as the one above though, lol.

[James.G]

yeah i have herd of them snapping... very rarely tho.

[Tuscan]

Can only imgane springs in genereal snapping from misuse

[Lacey]

Can only imgane springs in genereal snapping from misuse


exactly! but thats the same with anything.......

[Luke]

Just want to know what spec your running. Just springs? Or shocks too? Can I go 50mm on just springs?

[Luke]

Anyone!?

[James.G]

yes you can go 50mm just springs... just after time your shockes will bleed. if your tight on cash then go 50mm springs, then in a few months down the line change the shocks.

[Luke]

Im thinkin I might go just 35 mm. Practical but still looks good IMO.

[scot-ish]

if ur gunna lower it mate, i wud advise gettin shockers, in the near future too, its a much better ride with a decent set of shockers,

[scotty89]

am new and just wanted to know what you think about lowering my 106. since it had new front sus put on in december the front is sitting quite high:confused:

[Kam Racing]

what do you want to do .. lower using springs or change the shocks as well?

[scotty89]

lower using springs and i heard you can ajust the back sus position is this true do you know

[Dan]

The back is something called a torsion bar and will need doing by a specialist unless your really handy with your tool's. Alot of places refuse to do them as there a dodgy area. There are guides available online for doing it though.

What 106 do you have and what wheels?

[Kam Racing]

if lowering just with springs I'd choose Eibach. Expensive-ish but I haven't found better ride quality from any other spring with the standard dampers..

[scotty89]

106 xn 98 model and the alloys are 15inch 3 studs by dj rims on 195 45 15 tyres

[scotty89]

so is it better to get new shock for the back or springs

[hrg]

the back doesnt use springs.

the cheapest way is to just get front springs and low the torsion bar.

[scotty89]

Is that what you done 'hrg' i will need to look around some garages to do the work you know any in newcastle area

[hrg]

yeah i replaced the front springs with lowered ones and lowered the torsion bar.

the ride is good, and still quite soft. I have stiffer shocks to put on now, to see what its like

[scotty89]

i changed the front spring myself when it snapped. i may have a go lowering the front as itn should be easier cause i won't have to compress the spring as much but wouldn't mess about with the back

[Scottthedon]

i have just springs on the front and have lowered the torsion bar on the rear accompanied with Avo adjustable dampers stiffened up to the max and the ride quality is brilliant :D go for it

[scotty89]

di you do the torsion bar on you own 'scottthedon'

[Scottthedon]

me and my sisters bf did it yeh, its not too bad if you have a slide hammer and have no bolts that are seized etc. what year is yours?

[scotty89]

1998 model xn on an R plate

[Scottthedon]

mine was that n had a few that were complete b******s to undo but just spray em all with wd40 few days in advance like i tried n most are fine, theres a link to a guide on here how to do it :)

[*l3ah06*]

Whats best, alloys on first then lower, or lower then alloys or does it not make a difference??

[Scottthedon]

alloys then lowered, as if you lower b4 you get alloys then you wont know how much you want to lower it buy n mite still ride high with the new bigger alloys on if you do it to the wheels you had b4, and if your paying for torsion bar to b dun i wudnt wnt to fork out for it twice lol

[danthedon]

whichever you want, mines lowered 60 on the front on pi springs and spax adjustables and 55 on the rear with a gti rear beam with spax adjusables there aswell.

i am running 15's with 195,45,15 and its close lol

what size alloys you after, and how low?

[*l3ah06*]

just low enough to look decent, alloys r 15's, u got spacers?

[zogiebear]

I lowerd my front with springs and lowerd the rear on the torsion bar. But i found she handled really shit and was dead bouncy, so old springs are back on and im having a full package fitted for just £189. Thats front springs and shocks and rear shocks. I never realised till the garage told me you should always sort your suspension on the rear aswell as your torsionbar...well come on im female, im not suppost to know hehe

[*l3ah06*]

lol. thats nt bad, might c if i can get the springs n stuff on the cheap n get m mate to fit em, he owes me lol

[danthedon]

just low enough to look decent, alloys r 15's, u got spacers?

no i have got a disc rear beam which is 20-25mm wider so the wheels are really tight in the rear arches, especially 55mm down lol

[*l3ah06*]

lol. i'll just have to get a set n c how it goes. sell um if they dnt work. Really like the ones i want tho... spose could just get the car to match hehe

[danthedon]

personally i wouldnt listen to ppl saying you need this and that, i would get them and if they rub try spacers, a little wont hurt aslong as you use longer bolts etc.. longer bolts are only 1.50 each from my local car spares shop so i woud go for it, ive had a 16" nimrod off a 206 gti on mine and it didnt rub on the rear due to my disc beam.

go for em

but then again normal bolts should be fine with a 3mm spacer, i would get longer bolts for 5mm plus though

[davexdavexdave]

im thinking of lowering my 93 1.1 about 60mm. ive looked at kits and some say 96 onwards. will they still fit my 93 1.1 or not?? coz i cant find any that will lower it 60 mm for a 93 1.1.

[bigeck]

Does anyone know of someone selling one new or used for not a lot of money, i'll be needing it by the middle of next week

Please bear in mind its for the wifes car so she aint gonna be racing around corners in it so it doesnt need to handle like a race car lol
One thing tho it will DEFFO need to be at least -50mm cause the rear is really lowe and I want it to match

Cheers for the help

[yt_106_quiksilver]

Hi again, my mate has got some 40mm saxo VTR (phase 1) springs from when he had a saxo but he got rid of it! I was wondering if these would fit my 106 Quiksilver? and will it lower it by the same amount?

Thanks :)

[hrg]

i have saxo springs on my xsi...

they may not lower it quite as much as the saxo is a 1.6...someone will be able to clarify that..

[G124EME_XSI]

ive got sum saxo vtr 60mm lowering springs ready t go on mine.

[yt_106_quiksilver]

Might just stick them on for now then lol, cant compain there only 20quid and brand new, and i can get the back done for 20quid :)

[pugjim]

I think from what i have been told before, if you put vtr/vts/gti springs on the quiksilver, the ride height does'nt get lowered as much as claimed and the ride can be very stiff, both due to lack of weight from the engine. But i suppose you could give it a try.

[pugjim]

Sorry my mistake they may even make your quiky sit lower than 40mm. It gets confusing: have a look at this thread: http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=173

[yt_106_quiksilver]

Thanks mate, i have put springs from a diffrent car on my car before, i had a corsa and my brother was breaking a mk2 astra SXI (1.8) which was lowered 60mm so we decided to fit them this is how it looked (it didnt lower the corsa by 60mm)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h150/yt_cruzin/P1190002.jpg

[pugjim]

Hmm i see your point, but the Corsa and Astra are different models, whereas the 106 and saxo are basically the same, so that may make a difference.

[yt_106_quiksilver]

Yeah know what you mean, im going to give it ago and i will post it up when its all done :)

[pugjim]

Sounds good, good luck with it.

[iancookie]

hey was just wondering if anyone could help me... tbh i think my 106 looks a bit ghay with the normal suspension.

to lower it do you simply need lowering springs? is it that simple or are they hard to fit?

also is this wise as i live on a farm... and my road is v.bumpy... i dont want them to just break :(

(btw can you just use lower springs on the back to drop it slightly?)

thanks in advance

[skirmish998]

Its best to fit shortened stroke shocks to as you can damage the standard ones fairly quick. Rear end is a torsion beam set up which takes special tools i think which is why you'll never find lowering springs for the rear. lowering kits start from £200 for apex and go on forever and a day if you can afford it.

[*l3ah06*]

Yup, back is a tortion bar, which you can lower yourself but only if your are confident and good with your tools. also, i'm not sure about the bumpy road as lowering the tortion bar puts a lot of stress on the underside of your car, so bumpy road could be a no no, but if you want it, go for it, but learn to drive up the drive very slowly!! (or fill in the pot holes lol)

[darren106]

get a front kit, and get the rear professionally lowered to match your professionally fitted springs! did i say 'professionally' alot? lol

[all the rage]

right ppl i live in corby one big speed hump

what is a good size 2 lower it 2 so that i dont mess bottom of car up but still looks good any help????

[rich106]

i would say max 45mm for looks and to get over humps

[Edamski]

I've just done mine 45-50 mm and my gaf is riddeled with speed bumps and not problem even with 4 people in the car :)

[all the rage]

i was gonna lower it 30mm and put 15s on it

[Rallye James]

i was gonna lower it 30mm and put 15s on it

Go around 40-50 IMO. 30mm will look hardly any different to standard on a 1.1 ;)

[aimz]

hi guys, does anyone have a rough idea how much lowering costs in the kent area??

[4937Liam]

Does anyone know if a genuine Peugeot garage themselves would lower my Quiksilver for me if i provided them with a lowering kit?
Has anyone done this before as i cant find anywhere in Norfolk to get my car slammed!!

[rich106]

they should do mate i have a mate who works at pug and is doing mine for me

[hrg]

give them a call and find out?! i dont think they will be the cheapest place to go....

[Fuzzy Orange]

Mine when I bought it was lowered by peugeot - they made a bit of a mess of it but they did it LOL

I stripped it all down and re-did it myself :D

[106Tom]

Does any1 know... if there is any way of lowering the back of my car with out messing with torsoin bar... ie shorter shocks ect

i dont want to touch the torsoin bar cos the whole axel is really reaaly rusty

[ZestDeux]

correct me if im wrong but...

i thought the back of the 106 is on a torsion bar, so to lower the back that has to be adjusted :)

[106Tom]

correct!! ill just have a go at it any hints n tips would b most appreciated :D

[Shorty106]

Here's the guide i've posted for people before.

http://www.badgermotorsport.co.uk/lowering.htm

also, if its rusty, blast it with plenty of WD40 or penetrating oil to try and help free it up. might be worth spraying it with hammerite paint when you've finished working on it to tidy it up.

[106Tom]

:confused: i have not got anti roll bar.. and were the torsoin bar is ment 2 be there are solid at both ends:confused:

[Shorty106]

oh right. can you post a pic of it up?

[106Tom]

yes 2 mins m8

[hugh_106]

You must have an ARB and torsion bars like everyone else!

[106Tom]

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t202/cartert03/DSCF0438.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t202/cartert03/DSCF0436.jpg

[iancookie]

you could always put some tiny wheels on? :D

[Shorty106]

looks like you don't have an ARB on the back but you have torsion bars. the ends are shown in the pic. Apologies for the rubbish drawing. The red rings show where the ends of the torsion bars are and the blue arrow shows one of the bars.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/keith106/torsionbars.jpg

[106Tom]

one of the torx is rounded now.... i think ill sam up n call it a day

leave it on stilts :)

[MIKE539]

hi im thinking of lowering my car id have to get low pros for my wheels can i get lowering springs to fit my car its a 1994 1.4 diesel and how much would it cost to get the torsion bar lowerd ??? cheers mike

[Ryan]

should be able to get springs, check out rtecshop.com (http://www.rtecshop.com/index.php) or kam-racing.com (http://kam-racing.com).

the price of lowering the rear torsion bar depends on the garage you go to, shouldnt be too much tho :)

[Edamski]

go too rye motors mate near 3 sisters, its on the 3 sisters industrial estate they'll be able too sort you out, with everything! reasonable aswell £40 an hour regardless of what the job is. quoted me 3 hours labour so £120 thats what i paid aswell

[MIKE539]

how much u reccon it would cost to pay for the to front springs and lowring rear torsion bar

[Edamski]

well if your just getting some springs, some spax ones for a 45mm drop will cost you about £50 so about £170 all in all summit like that anyway.

[Marshall]

i bought some alloys that are ET38 along with some 20mm spacers making them ET18 right? if i have 2 or more people in the back my tyre catches the lip on the outside of the arch.

i have 15" alloys with 45 profile tyres.

now my dad recons i should just rip the rear seats out...but i need them so thats not a solution

id love the lower the rear just that little bit, am i going to have to roll that lip up to stop it rubbing? it is only minimal so the tyre must just catch the lip

[westie]

How much of a pain in the ass is it to lower a 106???
Easy to do? d.i.y
or pay some1 lol

westie

[Luke]

Search button :)

Not really a DIY job.

Pay someone to do it properly.

Use the search button you will find the info you need.

[jacko191188]

yer dont attempt on yr own as the torsion bar is an ass, make sure you dont just buy springs, get shocks as well, i payed £100 to get the lot changed, job on the side from a m8 who works in a garage, did the work one evening there, so on average you will pay 150-170

[Marcs]

If your not going lower than 50mm you can get away with just springs. But id definatly pay someone if your no mechanic:p

[Ryan]

There are so many threads with people asking how much they should lower their car by...

so i was thinking, why dont we build up a collection of pictures of members cars and how much they have been lowered by...

stick your car in here and tell us what you have used and how much that the car has been lowered :)

[mikey_b]

good idea, 60mm

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~scarface/files/pics/new/S5020203.JPG

[grebe]

a your wheel sizes too! i did try this a few weeks ago, but didnt get much response :/

[pugjim]

Here are a couple of old shots of mine, shes got 16's and is lowered about 30mm at the front and around 55mm at the back on spax springs and adjustable dampers. I think if i was to do her again i think i'd deffinately have 15's or maybe go a little lower on the 16's.
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o50/james343510/Image036.jpg
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o50/james343510/Image034.jpg

[Dan]

good idea, 60mm

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Escarface/files/pics/new/S5020203.JPG
That rear isn't 60mm! Surely?!

Doesn't look low at all, looks about 45mm.

[pugjim]

Lol, Dan, i'm suprised you haven't got a pic of yours up on here yet!
How low is she do you reckon?

[Chris S]

ive always told mike that his car cant be 60mm
heres mine, i think mine is lowered around 40 all round with 15" alloys. the back could do with a small tweak:

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8272/01062007294rp5.jpg

[Dan]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/pugdanpics/01-6.jpg


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/pugdanpics/08-2.jpg

Here's mine...

Lowered... Don't know? Don't care? LOL

Spax S005005 springs which say 60mm and the torsion bar to level it. :)

[Luke]

Mine is down 35mm at the front and about 40 at the back.

On 14" raptors.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r99/luke2607/Image005.jpg

[pugjim]

Mine is down 35mm at the front and about 40 at the back.

On 14" raptors.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r99/luke2607/Image005.jpg

Wrong pic mate, nice sub and amp though;)

[mikey_b]

spsoed to be 60, dunno :) dont care :)

[gazz]

spsoed to be 60, dunno :) dont care :)

LOL - I like the height of yours Mikey :)

I don't have any idea what mine is, so theres not really much point in posting a pic!

[mikey_b]

thanks, i wouldnt want it any lower

[Kinger]

http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?id=49000

i would like to drop 60mm!

so all i have to do is buy these for the front, and have the torsion bar done to match?

im sure i can do this without uprated shocks (which i will get eventually)

its just the disclaimer on the link above put me off for a second

'If you are lowering your car by more than 40mm short shocks are required'cheers guys ;)

[Luke]

They will be fine.

But because you are going more than 40mm your shocks will bleed alot quicker.

So get saving for some new shocks after that :)

[m_kidd106]

Aye m8 your always telt ae get uprated shock wen u lower more than 35mm usually. Y dn't you save your cash and wait n get a lowering kit with the spring and shocks???

[Kinger]

will do mate :D cheers for the heads up, it was just one of those things that put my mind of for a bit! lol !:P

so any sugestions for shocks? something cheap really, lookin for value for money ;)

im waitin on a new job at halfords at the mo, takin to look to get bk to me lol i need money :D

[m_kidd106]

get yourself on to www.potn.co.uk (http://www.potn.co.uk) am ordering my kit from their! 60mm drop with shock £199.99+delivery! And they do finance!!!

[Kinger]

coz i just wanna do it now :( lol im not patient! but once i hav a new job ill be ok :D

[Kinger]

get yourself on to www.potn.co.uk (http://www.potn.co.uk/) am ordering my kit from their! 60mm drop with shock £199.99+delivery! And they do finance!!!

is that the G-max kit?

[m_kidd106]

is that the G-max kit?


It is m8. Ano their not the greatest but they'll do the job!!

[Kinger]

hmm u have inspired me to look into finance :P ill discuss with me dad later in 17 so cant do it :(

cheers mate

[m_kidd106]

If ur da is gony do that. Just ask him ae gee you the cash and pay him back-saves money- a dun it with ma da a few times!!! N how much is your insurance m8?

[Kinger]

lol fair enuf :D i was just readin about the finance, apparently it has to be a minimum of £250 to use it :S

mines £650 :P but im payin monthly so its £750 i think, im on my mothers

[simon89]

Good idea for a thread! I think Dan's car looks the best , think ill lower mine that low! :D

[Kinger]

im defo goin for 60mm all round, how is the ride on just the springs dan? are u eventually going to upgrade to new shocks etc?

[Steve GTI]

- 40 mm on 15's
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p206/cuprasteve/BoxHill-Pug.jpg

- 40 mm on 16's
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p206/cuprasteve/Forrest_rear_angle.jpg

Now on 15's i would like to get some -60mm springs and drop the back to match!

EDIT : This is on Spax -40mm springs and shocks, Torsion bar set to match with Spax Shock asorbers on torsion bar.

[jamie]

Hey!

Im new to the site and i should hopefully be getting a quiksilver very soon! Anyway, i was speaking to a friend of mine about what to do to it once I have it and we were discussing engine upgrades and handling. He mentioned something about adjusting the dampening being a great way to improve handling once its lowered. Does any body know what he's talking about and how to do it?

cheers,
James

[danvilla2]

its a torsion bar on the back which you can adjust to lower the back, and yeah it does improve handling.

On the front, is he on about shock absorbers? May aswell just get springs though on a 1.1 if you aint going below 40mm

[Jonny-R]

If you want a better handling, you may want to invest in some stiffer front shocks from PI or Spax etc. Going to be about £100 + £40 for a set of springs.
Will handle much nicer.

EDIT: Well, at least I think I am right. I'm not sure if I should just get 40mm springs or get some shocks too..Haha. Sorry thread hi-jack, but any ideas?

[jamie]

haha thread jacker! no worries man thats cool. im just getting ideas and finding stuff to buy when i get my quiksilver, i wont be going any lower than 40mm as ill have 16" rims and there are lots of speed bumps where i live. thanks guys, let me know any more handling upgrades i can do.
james

[micky quicky]

alright geezers,:D , what will my quicky be like if i lower it with springs only, will it be crap or what, coz springs make the ride stiffer dont they, dont want the front to be stiff and the back be soft and crap, is £70 pound a good price to get the tortion bar lowerd and front springs fitted?

[danvilla2]

£70 is a very good price.

Springs should look the same, but when you go down the expensive route of shocks its makes the handling even better and doesnt knacker your standard shocks.

How far you planning on going down?

[micky quicky]

i want to go 60mm but not much cash for a full kit, so might get some 40mm springs, wanted to know what it will be like on bumps and etc.. ppl say it will be crap with springs only as the arse end will bounce and the front will be stiff

[danvilla2]

60mm's a lot, but 35-40 you can get away with springs.

I dont really know, but i'd guess 60mm on springs wouldnt handle very well and would be horrible to drive in, you'd feel every bump

[David106gti]

i am the only one who gets ripped off when it comes to torsion bars lol. the only place in bristol i can find that will do it is a citreon garage, and they want £160

tried doing it myself but far to seized up, aint got the tools to undo it all.

anyone know anywhere down this way that will do it cheaper?

[danvilla2]

HAve you tried Wd40'ing it and letting it get through the joints a bit?

How are you trying to get it out? With a slide hammer?

[simon89]

Spax 60mm Lowering Springs for £50! What do you recon , good price for them? :rolleyes:

[MikeyR]

good price but dont go for springs its 2 bouncy , 50mm gmax kit is the way forward stiff an goes round corners a treat!! I had springs on my 1.1 an it was shit!! hope this helps

[Seph]

Get them springs then get soem uprated shortened dampers

[simon89]

Get them springs then get soem uprated shortened dampers

Recommendations for good quality / good price dampers?

[simon89]

Any suggestions for new dampers for when i lower my Quiksiler tht low??? Cheers!

[Seph]

Billsteins are the bollocks, or koni.

Get joined up and Billsteins are in the club discount ;)

[Luke]

Just depends how deep your pockets are to be honest mate.

But I hope you've got low profile tyres ;)

[simon89]

Gonna join pretty soon i think!

Haha ofcourse i have low profile tyres!
Ok , youve pointed me in the right direction brand wise , but what tpe of dampers do i need or are websites pretty self explanatory for dampers and what ones you need for your car?

[aidy]

mines down 40 or so on standard shocks alround and drives like a dream. i'd say uprate your bushes too to make a difference to your suspension

[quicky con]

i have same kinda question 1.1 and i wanna lower it 45 mm but i wanna no can i buy 2 lowering springs and lower it on the tourison bar at the back can this be dun HELPPPPPPPP??

[aidy]

the torsion bar is the rear spring, soyeah you only need front springs, however if you didnt know that i'd reccomend getting the back end or all of it lowered professionally, it can be a ball ache to say the least

[poopicscoopic]

HI people iam just wondering if any one knows how much i can lower my 1.1 106 with 15' alloys on so that i dont have any problems and does anyone know if it actually improves handling not to sure thanks :)

[rich106]

not very much with 15s and bin that horrible text :D
and yes it will inprove your handling not much with tractor wheels on tho

[poopicscoopic]

Do you think bout 35mm or is that 2 much u think hehe tractor wheels lolz i think the car handles much better wid the wheels and dont tink ive lost much more speed unlike the orginals feel like you on roller skates lolz:)

[Rallye James]

What size tyres have you got?

[poopicscoopic]

195/45/15:)

[Rallye James]

That's OK then, you shouldn't have too much trouble. There's a sticky thread in the suspension section with all the info you need :)

[poopicscoopic]

cheers thanks 4 ya help :)

[poopicscoopic]

also due to lack of money at min if i had front suspension kit on and not the back done will it be like dangerous or sumthing or can i just lower the front thanks

[Rallye James]

As far as I know, you can get the springs on the front and lower it on the standard suspension on the back :) (Someone correct me if I'm wrong!)

[BigP1988]

theres a tortion bar on the back, no springs mate, and if you know what your doing only get it done by a professional, dont pay more than £100 otherwise your getting ripped off,

Pel.

[Luke]

No you are right James.

[BigP1988]

Or that James lol

[Sheepy]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section, but it's abit of a shite question and i wonna make sure as many people see it as pos.

I have some lowering springs sitting here, but i don't know how much of a drop they will give. Has anyone got any springs - Standard or aftermarket that they can measure so i can get a rough idea of how low the drop of these ones are????????

Thanks guys

[joe106gti]

good question, shame i cant help and noone else apprantly. hang in there. ring the person/cmpany you bought them from

[Sheepy]

Got em off of a mate a while ago :( Hense y im so stuck

[mat106]

I don`t think you can measure them and get an accurate reading, as some are progressive and may be shorter but others may be longer but softer and give more of a drop. It is not a massive job to fit them though then you can see how low it sits.

[Sheepy]

^ yer true, i just wonna get an idea tbh.....oh well looks like fittin ems my onli option

[Rallye James]

What Mat said pretty much, but can you see a number on them anywhere?

I had no idea what mine were until I found a code on them - typed it into Google and found out they were 35mm Spax springs :D

[Sheepy]

Nope, havn't got anything on them. Is there a guild anywhere for changeing the front springs?

[Sean]

Hey,
I got a quote at £130 today to lower my 106. This doesn't include springs and the company said they would adjust the torsion bar using 'notches' method, is that the correct method?

It's a small engine and therefore light so I'm gonna lower it 50-60mm, will I need dampeners? I'm not sure if I need anything other than just the springs?

Please help!

[Luke]

Dont go there then!

the notches method is the wrong way to do it!

If you are going more than 35mm then everyone on here will reccomend you getting now dampers. :)

[Daz]

£130 thats steap to have your torsion bar lowered mine cost £50 :D

get a few more quotes

[danvilla2]

yeah, thats not the proper way to lower it. Say to the garages you want it lowered properly!

You should be looking at £150 ish for springs and properly

[Sheepy]

Yer you still need the dampers. Don't got there mate. If they are already trying to take shortcuts, i won't even think about going there. Go to somewhere where they will do it properly and not just try and get you out of the door as fast as pos.

[danvilla2]

I suppose 130 isnt too bad for both, but only if its done correctly. Theres definatley a better way of doing it, I would explain but I'm not too sure of the notches way how its done (apart from its easier and quicker).

The correct way though in brief requires you to remove both torsion bars (theres two) and then adjust the shock absorber by about 20mm to lower 35mm and put back together! Sounds simple, its not!

[joe106gti]

get loads of quotes and play one off agasint the other, they all want your custom. make sure you trust them tho and get some sort of warranty

[106-phil]

i have just got myself a set of 45mm lowering springs for my 1 ltr. does anyone know how many knotches i need to lower the torsion bar by to make it look even. i dont want the car to look like it wheeling everywere

[106Adam]

wouldn't lower it by notches, heard bad things about it being done that way. i think you want the rear lowered 10mm more on the back to make it even. someone will correct me if im wrong.

[106-phil]

well i was told 2 clicks of the torsion bar, was just wondering if that is gonna be a bit 2 low or not

[106Adam]

not sure how low 2 clicks is in terms on mm mate. sorry dude.

[rich106]

yh that is not the right way its done by the torsion bars you need to find sandys lowering guide and its step by step :)

[Kam Racing]

if you do it the mm method you'll get the ride height spot on..

[woz_106]

2 notches equals approx 60mm, but i wouldn't do it that way if i were you.

[106-phil]

what other way is there to lower the back end of a 106 then???

[Cannon]

get some heavy friends to sit in it..

[steph]

why wouldnt you lower a 106 by torsion bar?? im about to do it

[danvilla2]

you do lower it by torsion bars, its just theres a one way is a bit quicker and less accurate.

i think theres something about it twists the torsion bars if you do it that way or something, not really sure.

[Beasty4k]

Want to lower by 40mm, I have decided! 2 things:

I live in bristol. Where is a good place, near me, to buy them? and, does anyone want to fit them for me? I will pay, of course! I'd rather pay someone here then go to a no-face garage for it. You, reader, are more likely not to scratch my paintwork, like one garage that shall remain nameless!

[danvilla2]

wouldnt you want the back doing at the same time?

[Beasty4k]

Yeah sorry. I want 40 all round.

[pow]

http://www.speedbox.co.uk/products/product_list.html?model=2639;type=eibach_sportline _kit

How is there 4 in the kit?

[Marshall]

the pic will be an example

[pow]

Also mentions that it lowers the rear 35mm?

Or is that how is should be lowered to match the front?

[mat106]

The pic is of vauxhall springs or similar, just an example. If it comes with shocks then they will be shorter at the back to allow you to adjust the torsion bars.

[Kam Racing]

Its the wrong pic. They only come with 2 springs and no dampers on the rear.

[izard-industries]

Right first off ive just purchased a 106 1.1 xn s2! Its in half good nick! but not good enough for me!

Im thinking about lowering it.. but i think it has torision bars on the back.. now first question, how do i lower a torision bar??

And aswell how far should i lower the front and rear? im still running the standard steelies :D

Also im after a set of alloys.. now mine are 3 stud.. anyone got any for sale??

[ihaveindependance]

your better gettin a professional to lower it, should only cost around £80 - £100. i went 45 at the front and 45 at the back. 45mm at the back is low enuff without arch mods.

[Miss.Roxy]

i dont actually know what mine is on the back but on the front its 40
didnt pay for mine to be done either, called in a favour with a friend :D

[Steve GTI]

Was that a sexy favour? Lol.

If i was you i'd drop it 40mm. Problem with the 3 stud is your very limited to designs. I would look on ebay as you'll be able to grab a bargain.

[gaz06]

would the springs above fit a 1.1?if so roughly how much would they lower it by?

[leeds106]

if they only lower the gti by 30mm chances are they might not even lower your 1.1 due to the differences in engine weight


i stuck 40mm gti springs on the quiky and it only dropped about 25mm or so

[Nick106]

Buy springs tht suit ur car!

No point getting springs tht arent designed for ur car coz it could upset the handling!

[gaz06]

okay cheers lads

[Cannon]

i no these are prob all in the FAQ section, but i just wana know a few things bout lowering a phase 1 106 1.1

i no that springs are always a must, but do you really need shocks?

also how low should i go on my car when i have 15" 195/45/15 league ninja wheels on, cos i hav already had to mod the arches for them..

i am whacking a gti style arch kit on, but i dunno wether to go
30 mm, 35mm, 40mm, or 45mm

heres my quick options

45mm PI springs: >>> CLICK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PI-Lowering-Springs-PEUGEOT-106-1-1-1-4-1-6-1-5D-45mm_W0QQitemZ110152147891QQihZ001QQcategoryZ40192 QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)<<<

or OMP 40mm springs >>>CLICK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OMP-40mm-Lowering-Springs-PEUGEOT-106-1-1-1-4-1-5D_W0QQitemZ330138405646QQihZ014QQcategoryZ10406QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)<<<

or poss Jamex 35mm springs >>CLICK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290130330025&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:uk)<<

ANY HELP APPRECIATED

if anyone has lowered thier gti etc etc would really appreciate any help on anything to do with this

as for the torsion bar, will lower that to match probably

[pow]

If your looking at GTI lowering springs then the drop wont be as much on a 1.1
As for rubbing now surely you cant lower as your nearly on the lowest profile? You need to check that the offset is correct

As for lowering its your opinion if you want the cool look - 60mm
If you want the 'supposidely' best height for handling then - 35mm

As for shocks ive heard that anything more than 30mm and shortened shocks are recommended

[Cannon]

thats awesome Pow cheers,
yeah i heard that if i get gti springs they may not even lower the car at all becuase of the weight difference, the other thing is that cos im not sure if im gonna keep the back bench or not cos plush have been speaking to me about an install, i dunno if i should extreme drop it or not, esp as there are so many speed bumps in my area

[ihaveindependance]

i wud go 45mm mate. you wudnt even notice it on a 1.1, my car has them pi 45mm springs in and rear to match. not low enuff 4 me so prob goin 60mm. you'll prob need to grind the lip on the rear arch off to stop the rubbing.

[Cannon]

dont that already mate.. and gonna be cutting them for the gti arches soon anyway

[huxley]

i drive a 106 1.5d and i wanna lower it. which is best -35mm or 60mm my rims are 14" vtr alloys with standard tyres. get back to me asap. cheers lads n girls :)

[Kam Racing]

I'd say that 35-45mm lowering would be about right

[Matt_Pug_106]

as above you'll prbly find it will lower it more than it says if your buyin springs that arent for a diesel aswel! 60mm is very low on a diesel i know someone thats done it and it scoops up roadkill, big horse poo's etc haha

[gaz06]

Lmao

[huxley]

cheers boys i went out and got 35mm shocks and springs. thanks for the help i thought that 60mm would be a tad ott. i only wanna improve handling and appearance. 200 i paid new what we think? is that cheap?

[Ste]

200 aint bad for a set of springs and shocks what make did you get and where from?

[joe106gti]

I'd say that 35-45mm lowering would be about right
spot on

[huxley]

the -35mm i got drop to -40mm max so i think they are spot on too. i got GMax dont quote me but the shop i got them from assured me that they were they best for the job as spax are apparantly "wank" he put it and he said "ive been in the buisness for 12years, and GMax are spot on for your needs" i got them from a place called hot hatch corner in longton (stoke on trent) having them fitted today with a small adjustment to the rear torsion bar. :)

[Matt_Pug_106]

they will do the job mate a few ppl i know have the and havent had any problems with them! let us know wot ther like n get some pics up later.

[simon89]

Im just on the verge of buying a few products to lower my 106 Quiky by -60mm.
Will these do the trick?

Spax Lowering Springs 106 1.1/1.4/1.4D 1C ; 04/96- ; -60mm

Spax Front Adjustable Shocks 106 1.4 XSi + QUICKSILVER; 96> (Shortened)

Spax Rear Adjustable Shocks 106 1.4 XSi + QUICKSILVER; 96> (Shortened)

[Nick106]

Yep sound good to me

[106-tooty-quicksilver]

ul need sumone to do the torsion bar on the back i think ? cud b wrong but ?

[simon89]

ul need sumone to do the torsion bar on the back i think ? cud b wrong but ?

No no you are right , i will need to take my car to my local motorsport garage to get that done , shouldnt cost more than £100 to get done! ;) lol

[Craddock]

I have a 106 1.1 99, it's my first car so i'm new to all everything basically.

I want to lower it, i was/am going to buy some 50mm front springs and get the fitted, but im unsure about the back?

Something about a torsion bar, would i also need to do any nonsense with the arches or...?

I was going to put 16" with 40 profile..

Any help is greatful!

Thank youuuu :D

[Chris106_1.1]

is the car 3 or 4 stud wheels? if its 3 stud then there are no 16" alloys, and generally 16" on a 106 is only really possible on a gti/quiksilver/rallye model

[Rallye James]

is the car 3 or 4 stud wheels? if its 3 stud then there are no 16" alloys, and generally 16" on a 106 is only really possible on a gti/quiksilver/rallye model

Someone in my town had a 1.1 with three stud 16"s - I've got a pic if I can find it later

[Craddock]

It's a 4 stud, I'd settle for 15" if needed to!

[Chris106_1.1]

Someone in my town had a 1.1 with three stud 16"s - I've got a pic if I can find it later

Your lying? really you have to be lying, i've never found any 16" its hard enough finding decent 15" as for 14" there impossible and 13" i don't know where mine come from bu i've never seen any 3 stud 13" since

[ihaveindependance]

i got 15's n its lowered 50mm, rubs a wee bit when theres ppl in the or over bumps.

[tbk]

as the title suggests will they??

Its a 1.6 16 valve phase 2 saxo that they have come off and i have a phase 1 106 (1.1)

[rich-gti]

yes

[tbk]

cheers dude:D

[m.barnes]

but, they will be designed to run a heavier engine, so they may not lower by the amount you assume (although once settled i doubt there will be much difference as gti dampers are stiffer, so should all balance out)

[MX_Rab]

Yet agen folks the subject of lowring. Basically i dont want to do it myself so need to find some1 2 do it.
Also i havent a scooby wat to look for. I guess i need:
Front springs, Rear shocks??

Does the torsion bar need to be removed when putting in shocks or just adjusted??

Is there any1 that no's of any1 tht would fit them in the border region i.e. carlisle, dumfries???

[ATFoxy 106]

the torsion is a gay thing.. as u have a quicky ur ARB's should be pretty good i presume so its a case of adjusting ur torsion bar. most garages will know how to do it. and ur front then u could be a chav and get spax shox from halfrauds i presume.. but
there are other products with more handling improvment out there..
Feel free to corect me if im wrong pls somone :D

oh and welcome to the club.

[thebluefox]

Some on here will say no to adjusting the torsion bar, and that its best to have it removed and changed. I think Fuzzy's rear beam collapsed after having it done.

[Fuzzy Orange]

Theres 2 ways of doing it

One way they undo one end of the torsion bar then knock the arm off - then push it up 1 click or 2 then hammer it back on
This is ok but you only really get either 35mm or 70mm - and it exposes the rear beam bearings which means you can get crap in them when you hammer the arm back on

Someone did this with the gti beam I bought - and it promptly collapsed 6 months later

The other way is to support the arm - remove the torsion bar completely - move the arm up the exact mm's you want it dropping - and then refit the torsion bar
Lots safer and a much better way of lowering

But you'd need to find a local garage who has experience doing it

Ecosse? LOL

[thebluefox]

Someone did this with the gti beam I bought - and it promptly collapsed 6 months later

Told ya :P

[aidy]

cant remember which way ricky does em, but both his cars are regularly airborn with no probs. its a grey area tbh.

[Jim_]

I was thinking DIYin it, cant trust garages to do it right. Im sure many people DIY it.

[Quiksilver Marc]

i am placing my order for this lowering set on Saturday

http://www.kam-racing.com/product_info.php/cPath/80_110/products_id/414

How much should you expect to pay for a garage to do the work??

[Marshall]

DIY it mate, i did my front shocks with a mate and that was pretty straight forward.

Id happily do torsion bars all day long....if i knew they werent seized....like mine, pain in the arse then!

[ZestDeux]

i heard torsion bars are a right bitch??

[106XR]

I'm after a set of front lowering springs for my 98 1.4xr. I'm after a 40mm set but i'm not sure which are good makes and where the best place to get them from is??? My car is supposed to be going into the garage on tuesday to get it lowered all around so i need a set asap. Does anyone have any for sale???

[danvilla2]

I personnally dont think TB's are as bad as people make out although i dont want to give people ideas that its easy, I need my dads secret weapon to get the torsion bolts off and the torsion bar out. Not only does the torsion bar seize up, so do the end bolts.

Basically getting to the TB stages is piece of piss, just jack car up, remove the rear shocks and the ARB end plate. its then things get akward.

Get a garage to do it though if you really havent a clue