About to purchase ICE

[Jonny-R]

Hey.
Once these exams are over, I'm ordering a bundle of ICE. I just wanted to run over what I am getting. I don't want a system that is ear shattering loud, just sounds good.
Headunit: JVC KD-LH811
Front speakers: Infinity Reference 5010cs 5.25" components
Sub: FLI active bass tube. Either 10" or 12".
Sound deadening: dynamat for front doors.

I'll be running the front speakers, unfortuantly, off my HU. I have read that the mentioned speakers perform well from a head unit. Is this true, do you have other options I should consider (speakers are a minefield!)
As far as I know the FLI sub range is pretty good for the money. I am swinging more towards the 10" sub as it will be able to respond quicker than a 12" (I like drum n bass with quick hard hitting bass lines). Which would you recemend. Any experiences with these subs? I'd rather it sounded good than be powerfull.

Quite a general question to ask so sorry.

Cheers for any replies.

[Gibbeth]

Hi!

Im new aswel, and don't know what the ice guys are like round these parts, but try the forum on Talkaudio.co.uk

There a forum associated I think, with www.caraudiodirect.com, which is also a pretty good place to get gear from!

:D

[Jonny-R]

Thanks for that. They started pointing me in the right direction. Now it looks like it might be.
JBL GTO-75.4 Amp
SPL Dynamics SD-5.2 5.25" components (can anybody tell me how these are, or suggest any better components.)
Alpine SWE-1242 12 Sub with Box
Dynamat for front components
4 Gauge wiring kit

Will give me about 85watts RMS for front components and 250watts RMS for the sub, as their readings are taken at 14.4V, and my battery would probably make about 12.5V (at a guess. I will multimetre it all.)

Also, will that amp cause my car any electrical problems, ie dimming headlights? That would really annoy me.

Oh and thankfully realised how important bolting the sub box and amp down is. How would you guys go about that? Isn't it easy to damage the structure of the bodywork by drilling through the boot?

[BruCeY]

i was thinking about the whole install scene once i get some money, what i got told was to wedge a peice of MDF into the boot space, obviously if its cut right the weight of the MDF will not move around so your free to screw sub boxes/amps/etc... straight onto the MDF without having to damage your bodywork so no drilling required....

How true all that is i dont know, thought it might be a stab in the dark though?

[plush-automotive]

Thanks for that. They started pointing me in the right direction. Now it looks like it might be.
JBL GTO-75.4 Amp
SPL Dynamics SD-5.2 5.25" components (can anybody tell me how these are, or suggest any better components.)
Alpine SWE-1242 12 Sub with Box
Dynamat for front components
4 Gauge wiring kit

Will give me about 85watts RMS for front components and 250watts RMS for the sub, as their readings are taken at 14.4V, and my battery would probably make about 12.5V (at a guess. I will multimetre it all.)

Also, will that amp cause my car any electrical problems, ie dimming headlights? That would really annoy me.

Oh and thankfully realised how important bolting the sub box and amp down is. How would you guys go about that? Isn't it easy to damage the structure of the bodywork by drilling through the boot?


What sort of overall budget do you have for the system i could help you design a system that will rock, could also demo it before collection more than likely.

[Jonny-R]

Hey plush. I now own a JVC KD-LH811 for the centre of this.
I think I am sorted on:
Rainbow SLX230 Deluxe front comps w/ dynamat
JBL GTO 1202D 12" sub + enclosure
JBL GTO 75.4 amp
4 Gauge wiring kit.

What do you think of that? Going to cost up to £320 delivered. But I might get all of the above without the sub and drop the sub in at a later date..But pretty sure that's the amp and front comps I want.

[plush-automotive]

The Jvc is a good unit i also sell the rainbow comps and when using skinz instead of dynamat extends the warrenty on the speakers also alot better product.

Dargs and jonny h are both using skinz products and will tell you how good it is. i would of said if you could save the extra the audison srx 3 especially this month with a saving of £80 would of been alot better option it's a 1 box solution with alot more advanced technology's hartmj is running one of these amps also bens chandler from fast car magazine is running this setup.

If you wish to here the set up i could quite happily borrow bens car and demo this to you.

The srx 3 has the technologies to run the front comps at 4 ohm giving them 65 x2 rms and the sub a 2ohm load of 340 watts rms this is a cracking package.

if this is out of the budget the 2 channel srx amp would quite happily run the front comps. hope this is of some help.

I would quite happily post the products out to anyone that couldnt collect.

[Jonny-R]

Hey mate. Thanks for the advice etc. Unfortuantly that amp looks way out of what I can afford, but I don't doubt how good it'll be. I'll look into some skins products for my inner doors too.
I think due to my budget I'm going to have to stick with the GTO 75.4 and therefore a ~250watt RMS sub..

[itchy]

hi if your going to puchase ice you should buy a systerm that is all the same make e.g song explode or jvc or whatever...

[Jonny-R]

I'm pretty sure I shoudln't. Tbh I would recomend most people to avoid sony xplode like the plague. Just go over to talkaudio.co.uk and say you want a sony xplode amp. lol.

[plush-automotive]

hi if your going to puchase ice you should buy a systerm that is all the same make e.g song explode or jvc or whatever...


Why???:confused:

Jonny-R why not build your system a bit at a time and save for the rest why the complete package all at once?

a good set of fronts installed and amped in the correct manner will keep you more than happy while saving for the extra parts like a sub and amp.

Rainbow comps are very good have you also looked into the hertz range of speakers also another good option to consider.

[Jonny-R]

I havn't looked at Hertz actually.
Which one is more likely to give me the best bass from a 5.25" driver, while keeping a very tight and bright upper end? Rainbow?

[plush-automotive]

What budget do you have on front comps the hertz energy range are a very good speaker set for the money. these speakers seem alot more fruity and musical that the rainbow range, thats not knocking the rainbows it depends what kind of music your into and how you like it to be played.

[Jonny-R]

Well the Rainbow SLX230 Deluxe's are £120 (119.99) and I couldn't possibly go any higher (I'm 17, and got some other things to pay!)
Which offers better midrange? Obviously I'm not expecting huge amounts of bass from a 5.25" driver but it's possible to get good bass responce with 80-90watts RMS.

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=212745&highlight=hertz+energy is that your work..?

[peedee]

Well the Rainbow SLX230 Deluxe's are £120 (119.99) and I couldn't possibly go any higher (I'm 17, and got some other things to pay!)
Which offers better midrange? Obviously I'm not expecting huge amounts of bass from a 5.25" driver but it's possible to get good bass responce with 80-90watts RMS.


Woooooooooah, this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above me!

What happened to just buying a set of sony 6x9's at halfrauds!! LOL!:D

£19.99 - SORTED!:cool:

[Jonny-R]

Haha, I like my audio to sound as it was recorded. :)

plush, I found your site. Very nice work, shame I can't afford that kind of thing right now!
I found the Hertz Energy Line.
So which speaker would you suggest,
Rainbow SLX230 Deluxe or Energy ESK 130, and why? Run with ~90watts RMS from a JBL GTO 75.4 (this can be upgraded in the future.)

[plush-automotive]

Well the Rainbow SLX230 Deluxe's are £120 (119.99) and I couldn't possibly go any higher (I'm 17, and got some other things to pay!)
Which offers better midrange? Obviously I'm not expecting huge amounts of bass from a 5.25" driver but it's possible to get good bass responce with 80-90watts RMS.

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=212745&highlight=hertz+energy is that your work..?

Yes that is my work that is my own personal work if you want to check out some more work look in the gallery www.plush-automotive.com (http://www.plush-automotive.com) theres some more projects i have been doing.

The equivilent hertz comp set would be the energy esk130

[hrg]

I have some really good comps that cost me about £60...they should sound pretty bassy but they just dont, as the door isnt designed for amazing audio sound. i think you need to build custom pods into the doors.

[Jonny-R]

yeah good point hrg. Do you have the SPL Dynamics SD-5.2 by any chance (bit of a shot in the dark :D but know they are bassy for that price.)

[plush-automotive]

90% of souns is good installation skinz products help out an unreal amount for a start skinz sound matt and wave diffuser

[Jonny-R]

Plush, I think it's down to Rainbow SLX230 Deluxe or Energy ESK130. Could you help me out on that one, as you deffinatly know your stuff. And I think I'll order skins mat for the speaker location (instead of dynamat) and look into wave diffuser..

[hrg]

johny or plush have u ever seen behind a door card in a 106?

if not, ur in for a big surprise LOL

[Jonny-R]

Yes I have there is 58mm clearence. Why do you think that will make a "huge suprise."

[hrg]

because the door of a 106 isnt designed to produce good sound lol

[Jonny-R]

...but what car is? That's why you take time installing stuff properly..:confused:

[hrg]

ok so tell me how your going to install stuff "properly"...

[Jonny-R]

Why are you coming across with such an attitude? Just go to talk audio there are many threads on how to get the best from your audio. Or ask plush have you seen his work? It's awesome..:D There's always a way.
As it is I have very average speakers with dynamat applied and that made a marked improvemeant over the rigidity, not sure about any bass responce as it's only my HU supply them with power and above 20 the clipping starts, haha.
I'm sure I can make an improvemeant on this with a very expensive component speaker by sourcing baffles and higher audio equipmeant (such as skinz.)
Just because you can't make your speakers sound right doesn't mean you should assume other people will encouter the same problems and not have the skills to rectify them.

Also you don't own a phase 2 series 106, are you familiar with any improvemeants on the inner door skin in build quality? Have you worked on one?

[plush-automotive]

johny or plush have u ever seen behind a door card in a 106?

if not, ur in for a big surprise LOL


Have i ever seen behind a door of a 106 lol i'd say so. go look at my gallery on www.plush-automotive.com (http://www.plush-automotive.com) ive built jonny h install off of here and owned 3 106s myself also worked on alot of 106 and saxos. my old 106 was on the front cover of redline magaizne a fair few years ago. you may rember it

You can get great sound out of a pug you just need to know what to use and do.

Also jonny r i would maybe go with the hertz speaker i'ma big fan of these hene running them in my own car. i can quite happily supply you with these and any other products you wish along with all the product support you need.

[hrg]

im not coming across with an attitude im just voicing my opinion! didnt want you to spend £100+ on some speakers, put them in the doors and them sound crap!

Never sound my speakers dont sound right?

group hug.

[Jonny-R]

Group hug :D haha. Well I'll report back on how the sound when I get it all sorted, hope it sounds good!

Plush, the only thing with the Hertz is the crossover looks puny. But I have also seen a review of the Rainbows sounding very good for live music but not so great with 'techno' (or synthesised instrumeants.) So I might also be swinging towards the Hertz Energy ESK130.
Mate this is an absoloute nightmare haha.

[plush-automotive]

why would they sound crap i dont honestly get why your saying this people spend a hell of alot more on speakers in the doors. Maybe you need aprofessional to fit them.

Iv'e spent 1500 on my front speakers and dont regret a penny.

[plush-automotive]

Group hug :D haha. Well I'll report back on how the sound when I get it all sorted, hope it sounds good!

Plush, the only thing with the Hertz is the crossover looks puny. But I have also seen a review of the Rainbows sounding very good for live music but not so great with 'techno' (or synthesised instrumeants.) So I might also be swinging towards the Hertz Energy ESK130.
Mate this is an absoloute nightmare haha.

Either set you won't be dissapointed i tend to sell more hertz speakers as it's a good all round sound the choice is yours as i sell both brands being a four master.