Mod question

[106highlife]

Hi i have a 1.1L 1999 zest, i have allready fitted an enclosed air induction kit whitch has given it an added boost :D. I read through the other thread and was just wondering if anyone could give me a rough idea of how much extra bhp i would get from each mod and how much they would coast as well as how difficult it will be as i am new to engines and slightly confused by alot of what was said :confused:.

Appreciate all advice about it :)

[Nick]

It's not all about BHP.. You can do other cheap alternatives..

Lose weight (strip the car)
Get some real driving lessons
quickshift £35

[andyrallye]

Plus you can drive faster if you can stop faster, and you can corner at higher speeds with better road holding.

As for BHP, you're not gonna get masses no matter what you do. it's still only an 1100. each mod will probs bring 1 maybe 2 horses. lighter = faster tho, so lose the inside trims etc.

[kris]

if you want more bhp, buy a vtr engine and stick it under the hood. As for mods i doubt you will get much gain as it is only a 1.1l so i guess a de-cat with 4-2-1 mani and new exhaust your see a nice gain

[106highlife]

thanx for the advice, i would do an engine upgrade but i have 3 points on my liceince and the insurance for anything larger then a 1.1l will be well very high at 17 but for some reason my insurance company doesnt seem to worried about the mods, as for striping the interior i have to say no to that aswell as i have to have some place for passengers to sit e.g my freinds who are to lazy to get their own cars haha basiclay i just want my lil 1.1 to be as fast and as flash as possible :cool: (speed over looks by the way)

[mechsman]

What insurance company are you with? lol. As said before its a small engine so any mods will see only small gains. induction kit, 4-2-1 mani, decat and performance exhaust will net you a bit. Decent brakes, tyres and suspension will allow you to be on the power longer before you have to brake for a corner but being a 1.1 i would imagine that yours is probably a 3 stud hub in which case the choices are limited. For brakes your choices are: grooved discs + decent pads, set of AX GT brakes, 4 stud conversion (then GTi brakes or 266/283mm upgrade). Similarly, with wheels and wider tyres your choices are limited with 3 stud. Decent suspension will allow you to corner faster by reducing weight transfer and body roll.

[106highlife]

i allready put in the induction kit from the kam raceing website as you can see from my display picture, how much would new suspension coils be for decent quality ones and how much would changing the breakes over coast me? would i be able to do it myself or would i need garage to do it as i havnt had much experiance only a lil bit here and there.

[mechsman]

Suspension: couldn't tell you as i havent looked into it but someone on here should be able to tell you.
Brakes: depends what you want to do. If its a case of swapping disc's and pads for better ones then thats easy to do on your driveway with basic tools. Swapping calipers and discs for ax gt items is easy enough as well.
4 stud conversion will be a bit harder. Exactly how bad it is i don't know as mine was 4 stud to start with (diesel engine) but you will need to remove the entire rear suspension from the car so its not a lightweight job really.
If you go this route then the calipers for a 266mm brake setup seem to average £100 ~£150 but can be had for a lot less if you hunt hard enough. Carriers are a bit harder to get hold of but at a pince can be got from pug dealers. Discs for this setup will be about £20 ~ £30 for standard ones. My entire 266mm setup came from a 1.6 HDi 307 and cost over £200 but that was for all new bits. The 266mm setup will bolt up to the 106 if you have 4 stud conversion so that can be done on the driveway.

[ATFoxy 106]

okay .. i recently fitted a raceland manifold to a saxo 1.1 from my local MSA car club. he now has
raceland green filter
raceland manifold
magnex full exhaust system
he went on the rolling road on saturday and got estimated 73 bhp at the fly. which is the same as a quicksilver as standard and it soudns mint for a 1.1 so i sugest that

the added bonus of those parts is.. you can keep them all and take them to any 8v 106 or saxo and they will fit and give good gains aswel..
be it quicksilver/furio/vtr/Xs/XSi or what ever. so there money well spent if u want performance. and quality race exhaust tone

[106highlife]

got a induction kit made for rally cars so i am happy :P
waiting to get paid then i will be ordering my new exhaust system whitch is a twin 3 inch backcat exhaust lol
how much would a new manifold coast and is it relli worth the money?

[ATFoxy 106]

WAIT befor you order your cat back system think..... if your after performance the most restrictive part of tyour exhaust system is your cat! so a straight through stainless system woyuld be better. then all u have to do is swap the cat system back on for MOT days like marv and myself do!

the second most restrictive part on anything other than a GTI is the manifold.. on the standard manifold all the gas's in effect "bump" into each other and slow down befor they exit to the restr of the exhaust. in a 4-2-1 or a 4-1 manifold the gases are force out of the full of the manifold and flow into the exhaust system with little or no collisions or turbulance creating excelent back pressure inturn forcing the fumes out of the system!

so yes a manifold is definatly worth the money if your after as much power as u can get. also as they dont de-preciate much with being second hand. a brand new mani will cost you 128 from KAM racing for the much respected raceland manifold of which i know the large population of 106 road rally and sstage rally drives use. as it has been prooved time and time again to be immensly efficient! and it will only de-value to around £80 at the most. as there extreamly sought after!

on the other hand if your to stick with the 106 scene then when u get to say 19 or so you can use the manifold on any 8v 106 or saxo as i said earlier

[106highlife]

Thanx for the advice mate how easy is a new manifold to fit? soz i dont relli know that much about cars. the backcat exhaust system i want is a one peice system so it should be fyn, its the one that has been recomended by alot of other members on this forum, eitha that or i could get the one from kam racing aswell for £199+ postage. The only new manifold i can find to fit my car is £170 including postage from kam racing and will aparently add 10% more BHP to my car is this accurate?

[andyrallye]

Probably a little optimistic. more like 5 to 10%
Just remember 10% of an spi 1.1 is only 5bhp ish.
However the drive-ability should improve. Free-er to rev etc.

[106highlife]

okies thats good will proberly buy one then, is the exhuast system that is also on the kam racing site any good? i am going for performance more then anything else so any recomendations for exhaust systems will be apriciated thanx

[ATFoxy 106]

the supersprint exhaust system is the pugsports only competitor! it does soudn good and it fits alot fuking better

[106highlife]

so the supersprint is better yea?

[ATFoxy 106]

yeh tin some ways but in others it isnt as good. and refferingto your last comment about catback exhaust. a catback is from cat to backbox meaning the most restrictive part is still there. ur cat!

[106highlife]

yea soz i understand that now but de-cat ones arnt road legal are they? or can you get any de-cat exhausts that can still pass the mot?

[ATFoxy 106]

nope pretty shure u wont pass an MOT with a De-cat exhaust.

but who would be to know if u kept your origional system and say changed it once a year for the MOT. unless mr emmisions issued a warning to produce a recent MOT then u got nothing to worry bowt just keep ur old system.


that wasnt me telling you to do that btw. just a suggeston

[Marvvv]

i need a mani badly :/

[106highlife]

only thing is my dad (who's insurance i am going on otherwise will be through the roof with my 3 points) is not one of those people who would in his opinion break the law by not haveing a cat in the exhaust system and i know the cat is the most restrictive thing but is there any cat exhausts that will improve my performance or if i buy a cat exhaust are you just paying for look and sound?

[ATFoxy 106]

a De-cat has nothing to do with ur inshurance exepty itrs a performance mod. which so is a catback system so u will have to tell ur inshurance company about it if ur dad is like that anyways otherwise technically speaking it is illegal!

ta de-cat will only get u told off by the emmisions testing police... but i get where ur coming from

yes there a sports cats but rumour has it that u can still fail an MOT with it regardless and they cost a good £400 for a full system so not value for money..
ur in a bit of a dilemma u cant get round to be honest byud

[106highlife]

well if i told the insurance company it was a performance de-dat exhaust system would they still insure me?

[10six]

106highlife when i was 17 i had 5 points and was driven a quicksilver with a 1.6 16v plant and it was only £650 in my own name get the engine thrown it you'll see alot more power but i recomend with everyone else start off with the essentals with my car i started of throwing money at it but it came to an end a year later here a list of thing i fitted

1st i started with
striping the interior out bremsport breaking kit which came with a pair on billet aluminium 4 pot calipers set of mintex 1144 pads set of high performance rotors and a set of earls brake lines worst thing was i had to run on 17" wheels then i got myself an TAS hydrolic handbrake but this was just for fun but isn't necesary then i got blistein coilovers and rear dampers i then got myself OMP upper and lower strut braces this stop nearly all the leaning in the corners then i bought myself a TAS quickshift which made a hell of a difference in gear changes then i fitted the 1.6 engine and fitted a facet fuel pressure regulator followed by a green cotton forced air induction kit this was followed by a 4-2-1 mani with a custom exhaust from an engineering firm i used to work for, then the track day fever began an i then fitted 3 of tilton engineerings BPV's (brake proportioning valve) 1 for the front left and right 1 for the back left and right and then 1 for between the front and back at this point the money was getting low and a kept a low profile and saved i then 6 months later bought a Sadev 6 speed gearbox and had the car for 1 month after doing an average of 17mpg now at this time i was out of pocket by a few thousand and relised that the car was to dear for me to run on the road and do track days so my final few pound was to fit a roll cage and i believe the car is now doing rallys and was tuned till 220bhp at the flywheel and 210bhp at the wheelshttp://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon9.gifstill miss my baby to this day

sorry for goin on a bit

[106highlife]

nah that kwl who the hell was u insured with then as verywhere i tried quoting me about 1300 a year with 3 points

[10six]

my girlfriends da with his garage insurance 650 for anything upto a 1.6 until im 21 and the the sky's the limit

[106highlife]

year percisly you will get it cheap anywhere else is fucking expensive mate if you type in your 17 then with 3 points with any other insurance company will be fucking expensive mate trust if i could upgrade to a bigger engine do you think i would be stuck with a lil 1.1L

[Smiff]

With regards to handling, depends what you want to spend.

Spax springs are what i use, they're cheap and good (better than Jamex GMax etc)

BUT

for proper handling you need uprated springs AND dampers for a start. A set of 4 would cost about £300 for the cheapest i'd imagine.

From there on the limits are endless. The club chairman has been looking at wishbone mounts which make turn-in better, but its £500 for a set. A set of really good coilovers that allow you to adjust ride height (bilsteins) would be more like £500 too, minimum.

With regards to brakes, how big are your wheels?

Smiff

[106highlife]

i just put on some new ones actualy :) they are 15"

[Smiff]

well you can either use a saxo vtr/vts (same as GTi) brake setup, which is 247mm. These are a huge improvement over standard 1.1 brakes.

For even better stopping power, 266mm setups from a 206 hdi or possibly a 306 GTi-6 (not sure about that one) will be very very good, overkill on a 1.1 really.

For actual face ripping brakes, 4pots are your friends. Wilwoods being the best, and Hi-Specs also very good.

[106highlife]

cheers mate :)

[mechsman]

My 1.5D had the same brakes as the 1.1. i.e. shite. I changed em for a 266mm vented setup from a 307HDi. More than enough stopping power as it now locks up 205/40/17's pretty easily. That was using plain faced discs and crappy pads. I now have the same disc's but with mintex pads in and I have to be pretty careful if I hammer the anchors. If I wanted I could get a set of grooved discs but tbh the nose of the car dives hard enough as it is! :D. If you search under my name I did a writeup for the swap with pics. It's a bolt on conversion (Other than 5 minutes with a file on one of the casting sprues). The 266mm setup i used fits under 14" steelies as well if you want a stealth look.

[Smiff]

i'm going 247mm, should be enough for me tbh, will let you know how it goes.

[106highlife]

yea please do and mechsman i have 15" alloys not 14" or below.