Performance mods for us 8v owners

[kris]

I may aswel make a list of mods that can increase the performance of our 8v's
Once you have most of these your be laughing when keeing up or flying past fellow friends in the standard clios or corsas


the basics

Raceland enclosed induction with green filter
VTR inlet manifold
4-2-1/4-1 manifold
pugsport/supersprint exhaust system
injecters

the more advanced/expensive

Kent/cat/piper cams
Ecu Remap
Port and polish

deep pocket modders

Supercharged
throttlebodies
turbo
carb'd

I probably have not listed everything so just add to this thread.
hope this helps

[titch]

You just wanted to make the first post in here didnt ya? :p

But yep, the list seems about right, i'll try to think of more to add. :)

[kris]

you got me lol nah just thought it could send people in the right direction :)

[ATFoxy 106]

Port and Polish

and we have a Cam not cams :D

My List for mine

Port and polish s2 rally head
piper cam
adjustable cam pulley
raceland 4-2-1 manifold
Magnex de-cat system
Green air filter

[kris]

added and I only put cams because I put more than one cam make

[danvilla2]

Only thing is you should be flying past your mates corsa's without any of those mods ;)

[scotty106]

you shouldnt be mates with people that own corsa's lol

[kris]

Haha hasn't Dooley got one

[Marvvv]

adam as if you have an adjustable pulley, you have standard rallye one lol

[kris]

Only thing is you should be flying past your mates corsa's without any of those mods ;)

not if its a 1.2 16v petrol haha

[Gina_G]

turbo ftw etc

[fishfire]

I may aswel make a list of mods that can increase the performance of our 8v's
Once you have most of these your be laughing when keeing up or flying past fellow friends in the standard clios or corsas


the basics

Raceland enclosed induction with green filter
VTR inlet manifold
4-2-1/4-1 manifold
pugsport/supersprint exhaust system
injectors



If you change the size of the injectors you will need to adjust the fueling via the ecu , as larger cc injectors will have different IDC (Injector Duty Cycle)to the standard size injectors, or alternativly you could add a 5th injector with stand alone controler

;)

[busta]

adam as if you have an adjustable pulley, you have standard rallye one lol

Adjustable pulley isn't a performance mod anyway, it only compensates for badly ground cams. There's no reason why an up-rated cam should need one other than laziness on the part of the people grinding the cams!

[busta]

Add a 106 rallye inlet to the mods list too. :)

[ATFoxy 106]

somone enlighten me abotu s1 inlets please. do they give more air? cos im tempted for one

[ATFoxy 106]

oh and marvv pipe down i have new cam and pulley not rally ones now

[Rolla102]

i ahvent been reading all this so if its already been mentioned sorry but what would i be able to do myself for like under 100 quid??already got exhaust and induction kit. 1.1 beast btw

[titch]

If you change the size of the injectors you will need to adjust the fueling via the ecu , as larger cc injectors will have different IDC (Injector Duty Cycle)to the standard size injectors, or alternativly you could add a 5th injector with stand alone controler

;)


Not necessarily, VTR Injectors/Fuel Rail go onto a Quiksilver with no need to fiddle with the ECU, tried and tested. ;)

[matty161281]

nice thread, been thinking we need a few more like this as everyone seems to be more interested in the 16v and theres alot of us 8ver's out there :)

[fishfire]

Not necessarily, VTR Injectors/Fuel Rail go onto a Quiksilver with no need to fiddle with the ECU, tried and tested. ;)

But... if the ecu isnt told it has larger injectors it will continue to go by its current fueling map, which may well be fine at cruise an idle as the closed loop lamba will compensate to keep the fuel/air mixture at stoich (AFR 14.7:1), but on hard acceleration it rely on its current fuel map which will see a proportional increase in the amount of fuel, and will hence run rich, which whilst safe, doesnt nessicarily amount to an increase in performance and in some case's may even result in a small loss in power! Hence my initial statment. To make the most of the larger injectors, ideally the ecu should be mapped for the increase in fuel :p:D

I speak with some experience as I used to map my own impreza (A'pexi PFC stand alone ecu) :)

[Quiksilver_TOM]

raceland / green cotton & pugsport :D:D

[titch]

But... if the ecu isnt told it has larger injectors it will continue to go by its current fueling map, which may well be fine at cruise an idle as the closed loop lamba will compensate to keep the fuel/air mixture at stoich (AFR 14.7:1), but on hard acceleration it rely on its current fuel map which will see a proportional increase in the amount of fuel, and will hence run rich, which whilst safe, doesnt nessicarily amount to an increase in performance and in some case's may even result in a small loss in power! Hence my initial statment. To make the most of the larger injectors, ideally the ecu should be mapped for the increase in fuel :p:D

I speak with some experience as I used to map my own impreza (A'pexi PFC stand alone ecu) :)

Agreed, to make the most of the larger injectors, a remap is needed.
However, a friend of mine has this club chairman's old 1.4 engine. Complete with VTR injectors, fuel rail, and inlet. And before a larger cam was put in, it was RR'ed at 96bhp, quite a significant increase over the 75bhp standard, if ya ask me. :p:D

[106_xsi]

Adjustable pulley isn't a performance mod anyway, it only compensates for badly ground cams. There's no reason why an up-rated cam should need one other than laziness on the part of the people grinding the cams!


Erm. . .yes it is. it allows adjustment of valve timing, a crucial part of engine tuning and performance.

[fishfire]

Agreed, to make the most of the larger injectors, a remap is needed.
However, a friend of mine has this club chairman's old 1.4 engine. Complete with VTR injectors, fuel rail, and inlet. And before a larger cam was put in, it was RR'ed at 96bhp, quite a significant increase over the 75bhp standard, if ya ask me. :p:D

agreed that is a nice raise in bhp, but what other mods were on this car as well as larger injectors? More fuel may give some gains, but would bet a pound to a penny that if you put a wideband on this car, it will be running a tad rich!
other considerations to take into account with dyno's (which are a good tool) are no two dyno's will read the same,due to atmospheric conditions, opperator error, dyno calculations etc etc
A good example is Wells Lane dyno which consistently reads significantly higher read outs than other dyno's. Sorry not being argumentative just love a good discussion :)

I just dont think putting in larger injectors without telling the ecu they are there is a particularly good modification as the injector duty cycle would be all over the place;)

forgot to say, what is the cc difference between 1.4 106 and 1.6 VTR injectors? if its only a small amount then fair enough. My experience of changing injectors is going from standard 380cc to 750cc injectors! which idle rougher than a badgers arse by the way!

[busta]

Erm. . .yes it is. it allows adjustment of valve timing, a crucial part of engine tuning and performance.

..my point being the cam should be ground to the correct timing without needing an adjustable pulley. Cam timing only need adjusting if the cam isn't manufactured properly. There's only ever one optimum setting for a cam so why introduce the possibilty of getting it wrong by having an adjustable pulley? Just buy cams from people who get it right in the first place.

[titch]

agreed that is a nice raise in bhp, but what other mods were on this car as well as larger injectors? More fuel may give some gains, but would bet a pound to a penny that if you put a wideband on this car, it will be running a tad rich!
other considerations to take into account with dyno's (which are a good tool) are no two dyno's will read the same,due to atmospheric conditions, opperator error, dyno calculations etc etc
A good example is Wells Lane dyno which consistently reads significantly higher read outs than other dyno's. Sorry not being argumentative just love a good discussion :)

I just dont think putting in larger injectors without telling the ecu they are there is a particularly good modification as the injector duty cycle would be all over the place;)

forgot to say, what is the cc difference between 1.4 106 and 1.6 VTR injectors? if its only a small amount then fair enough. My experience of changing injectors is going from standard 380cc to 750cc injectors! which idle rougher than a badgers arse by the way!


It may very possibly be running slightly rich, and thats why I agreed that it'd benefit more with a remap. I believe the head was skimmed, when bought from Peugeot, to raise compression ratios, and the obvious breathing mods (de-cat, 4 branch, and induction).
Also agreed with the variations on dynos, however, this car definately has more power than the later model of Saxo VTR which is 98bhp, as I was present on numerous occasions when a little 'spirited' driving has occured with VTRs present, and they weren't too happy when they found out its still a 1.4. :)
Dont worry, i'd guessed it wasn't arguementative, hence why I kept replying, lol.

As for CC difference, the VTR is 1587cc, I believe, as for the 1.4, im not too sure, think it may be something along the lines of 1427cc. So over 250cc difference. Not quite as much as the change you made, haha, however it means it still idles as smooth as a standard 1.4 engine. :)

[106_xsi]

..my point being the cam should be ground to the correct timing without needing an adjustable pulley. Cam timing only need adjusting if the cam isn't manufactured properly. There's only ever one optimum setting for a cam so why introduce the possibilty of getting it wrong by having an adjustable pulley? Just buy cams from people who get it right in the first place.

So where are you getting all this bollocks from?

[dean191]

I Think you've been fed a few lies from somewhere busta! No cam, unless it's been made by kent or whoever to be a specific cam for a specific race formula, will just bolt in the head and make all of it's potential power. And don't forget what happens if you skim the head, you advance the cam timing automatically because you've reduced the loaded run of the belt, this sometimes needs to be corrected. Just as an example the last engine i built and had rolling roaded made more horsepower all through the rev range when the cam was retarded 4 degrees from where the catcams spec said it ought to be. These timing figures are only guides anyhow. You can get more sense out of a totally standard engine sometimes just by fitting a vernier pulley and getting it tweaked on a rolling road.

[fishfire]

As for CC difference, the VTR is 1587cc, I believe, as for the 1.4, im not too sure, think it may be something along the lines of 1427cc. So over 250cc difference. Not quite as much as the change you made, haha, however it means it still idles as smooth as a standard 1.4 engine. :)

was actually refering to the cc difference in the injectors, not engine capacity. Injectors are rated at a given amount at 100% IDC (This is when the injector i perminantly open) over a period of time (usually per hour) hence for example, on my impreza, 380cc injectors will supply 380cc of fuel at 100% IDC Per Hour x by number of cylinders gives you the amount of fuel supplied to the engine in total per hour, and from this you can determine the max amount of power a given set of injectors can provide. Can give you the formulae if your really interested ;)

I like to think I have some idea of what I am going on about :D

Will agree that is nice power from a 1.4. What was max torque? (thats where its really at !). Would like to see the power curve if you can put it up?

Sorry, bit of a geek when it comes to this kinda stuff :)

I did all my own fuel and timing mapping on my impreza and managed an average dyno run (at the crank) 0f 387.8Bhp running a TD06-20G turbo (which is big, but laggy) at 2.1 Bar. List of mods is quite large ;)

[loudandproud205]

your both right there the injectors on higher powered cars definatly needs remap for the ecu to run at full potentioal. but the flow rating of vtr injectors over quicky isnt that signicant to worry the ecu or timing of the engine.

dean 106turbo could go into more depth if you wanted it

[fishfire]

. but the flow rating of vtr injectors over quicky isnt that signicant

what is the difference in cc rating (or flow rate ) between vtr and quicky?

[fishfire]

.

dean 106turbo could go into more depth if you wanted it

Thanks, but after 2 years building and mapping my scooby, I think I have some idea of what I'm on about :rolleyes::p:D

for your interest, tech spec below (I do miss her :():

Blouch TDo6/05-2G Turbo(Running 2.1Bar Boost)
Apexi Power FC Re-Mappable ECU (Mapped by myself)
Apexi Power FC Commander
Apexi AVCR Electronic Boost Controller and Monitor
HKS Super Suction Filter
HKS Turbo Timer
HKS De-Cat Down pipe (Cool Tech Heat Wrapped)
740cc Injectors
255 litres per hour up rated fuel pump
Silicone Induction pipe
3” bore, Kakimoto De-Cat Centre Pipe
3” bore, Kakimoto end can, 5” exit
XS-Power Equal Length Exhaust Manifold (Cool Tech Heat Wrapped)
XS-Power Flexi Up-Pipe (Cool Tech Heat Wrapped)
Autobahn Front Mounted Intercooler
NGK PF7G Iridium Spark Plugs
Magnacore Competition Ignition Leads
Bailey VTA Dump Valve
Stage 2 Organic Clutch
Engine Breather Modification
Braided Brake Hoses
Brake Master Cylinder Brace
DOT 5.1 Synthetic Brake Fluid
Short Shifter
wideband O2 moniter

Cusco fully adjustable coilovers
whiteline ARB
whiteline ALK
GrpN engine and 'box mounts



Engine rebuilt to following spec as of August 2007:

Wiseco forged pistons
Eagle 'H' beam forged con rods
ARP Con Rod Bolts
ARP Head Bolts
Cometic Multi Layer Head Gaskets
ACL Race Series Rod Bearings
ACL Race Series Main Bearings


Nitrous Express Wet Nitrous Kit Fitted.

Power confirmed at :387Bhp and 404Ft/lbs of torque (without nitrous)



This was a fun car to drive :D:D:D:D:D:D

[ATFoxy 106]

no body cares.

[fishfire]

no body cares.

kinda looking that way lol!

[slammed106]

lmao- try scoobynet mate...


busta- hows things fella??


as for the injector issues??? lmao banging some (margainly) bigger injectors into a 1.4 8v without telling the ecu is`nt gonna turn the car into a veyron slayer.. even with a remap the gains are minimal.. certainly not what some RR`s claim...

AND if your going to all the trouble of remapping a std ecu spend another 200 quid on an inlet manifold and R6 bodies nd actually make the remap cost worth it..




or ditch the whole load of french crap and bang it on bike carbs....

[fishfire]

lmao- try scoobynet mate...

Lol! point taken, just got withdrawal symptoms :)



as for the injector issues??? lmao banging some (margainly) bigger injectors into a 1.4 8v without telling the ecu is`nt gonna turn the car into a veyron slayer.. even with a remap the gains are minimal.. certainly not what some RR`s claim...

My point exactly;)

AND if your going to all the trouble of remapping a std ecu spend another 200 quid on an inlet manifold and R6 bodies nd actually make the remap cost worth it..



agree, its a lot of money to spend on mapping,for little gains........unless you can do it yourself ;)

[slammed106]

but your running an aftermarket ECU thats designed to be remapped..

getting into a peugeot ECU is a bit harder..

[Quiksilver_TOM]

no body cares.

lmao:p

[pugsport]

who make the better cams

as im looking to buy a set for my 1.4 xsi soon

[fishfire]

but your running an aftermarket ECU thats designed to be remapped..

getting into a peugeot ECU is a bit harder..

is there any sort of open ECU accessing software for the standard ecu, or is it a case of introducing a programable sister board into the standard ecu? that would be a pain in the arse unless you have the equipment to do that sort of work.

If you have a VTR/VTS conversion and ecu, are they any easier to access?

If not what alternatives are owners using to remap? just chips rather than live mapping?

sorry to hijack the thread :)

[106_xsi]

who make the better cams

as im looking to buy a set for my 1.4 xsi soon


A set? ? you only need the one mate, lol

Try cat cams, theses a link on the QEP website, q-e-p.co.uk

[slammed106]

is there any sort of open ECU accessing software for the standard ecu, or is it a case of introducing a programable sister board into the standard ecu? that would be a pain in the arse unless you have the equipment to do that sort of work.


i think wayne (the wallet eater) schofield somehow.. from somewhere.. has got software that allows him to tinker with the maps stored on the std ecu.. theres a few more companies out there started doing it now but its still a very specialised thing i beleive...

if your going to the extreme of remaps i personally think its best to do it right and go for something like an emerald ecu..

it has way more load sites for mapping and the user can put them where they want them.. eg

800,1000,1200,1500,2000,2500,3000 etc etc

instead of 1000,2000,3000,4000

making things that more precise at the critical idle area..

sandy will be able to explain more if he see`s this.......




as for cams.. i love my piper 285 but would LOVE to try GMC`s 305 deg item...

[fishfire]

was more out of curiousity as to weather you can use the standard ecu, wihout going for a stand alone ecu.

Thanks for the info tho

[pugsport]

A set? ? you only need the one mate, lol

Try cat cams, theses a link on the QEP website, q-e-p.co.uk

i know its only when i said a set i ment that i want the cam seals pulley etc

[slammed106]

chances are its not 100% accurate mate as i`m a carburettor man.. i`d rather turn screws than click buttons on my laptop!...

back on cam choice... i think a lot of the single inlet folks will struglle with anything more 275 say degrees duration.. something to due with air going all over the fucking place haha...

the lifts also important but valve/piston clearance dictates how much you can get away with..

[Jonny-R]

Has anybody had any experience of the Supersprint 'race only' (decat) centre section? Has it got a flange fitting, or sleeve?

[Mattyboy]

Just out of intrest whats the most anyones got out of the 8v, power wise?:)

Im guessing its going to be a Saxo on Saxp etc

[S413AND]

AFAIK - Tweeqd / Axvttr has the most powerful, or at least if it isn't - it will be. Think he's aiming for about 300/350 before the Nitrous.

After that - i'm not too sure. Somers (SSC) old one was pretty powerful, or J99 (SSC) is meant to have been the most powerful VTR on GMCs rollers.


Mines only 141 at the wheels currently. But i'm planning on the rebuild being at least 180, but preferably nearer 200 at the wheels

[kris]

i think another option is you can throw in a vtr lump and get 100bhp straight off

[darren106]

AFAIK - Tweeqd / Axvttr has the most powerful, or at least if it isn't - it will be. Think he's aiming for about 300/350 before the Nitrous.

After that - i'm not too sure. Somers (SSC) old one was pretty powerful, or J99 (SSC) is meant to have been the most powerful VTR on GMCs rollers.


Mines only 141 at the wheels currently. But i'm planning on the rebuild being at least 180, but preferably nearer 200 at the wheels


OMG! 300 to 350? out of a VTR?

Please explain the spec/set-up?:)

[S413AND]

Turbo and 2 bar of boost helps;

http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=15788.html

[busta]

I Think you've been fed a few lies from somewhere busta! No cam, unless it's been made by kent or whoever to be a specific cam for a specific race formula, will just bolt in the head and make all of it's potential power. And don't forget what happens if you skim the head, you advance the cam timing automatically because you've reduced the loaded run of the belt, this sometimes needs to be corrected. Just as an example the last engine i built and had rolling roaded made more horsepower all through the rev range when the cam was retarded 4 degrees from where the catcams spec said it ought to be. These timing figures are only guides anyhow. You can get more sense out of a totally standard engine sometimes just by fitting a vernier pulley and getting it tweaked on a rolling road.

Well I admit it's only something I'd read in PPC. I'd never really thought about the consequence of skimming heads on cambelt run lengths TBH.

Still, you'd expect the cam to be timed correctly for an otherwise standard head without adjusting the timing surely? That's what the article was getting at.

I'll stop digging now anyway :o


Hi Shenpar Bitch.

[Mattyboy]

Mines only 141 at the wheels currently. But i'm planning on the rebuild being at least 180, but preferably nearer 200 at the wheels

Expand on your Spec please! :D

300 From an 8v, JEBUS :eek:

[S413AND]

Expand on your Spec please! :D

Very breifly - Rotrex C30/74 restricted to about 0.6 bar, KMS. Completely standard internals/compression.

Not so breifly - my project thread - http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=24997.html


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/gd16/s413and/100_2046_2.jpg


Anyhow, enough ASW'ing.....

[Ollie D]

if i were to fit a raceland to my car where does the air temperature sensor go?

[titch]

I need to get Marvvv to send me pics cause he said hes made his own inlet pipe bit so that he can still connect all the pipes/connectors. Or just get him to post a pic up on here, lol.

[aidy]

fishfire, i cant beleive you did all that engine work on your own car and still didnt realise that you should have bought an evo! tee hee

good luck with all this guys.

someone needs to build a fully bastardised 8v engine and see how far they can take it. furthest i've heard is peter 86's 146bhp on s2 rallye engine with big bad cam and s1 nlet

[Rallye James]

someone needs to build a fully bastardised 8v engine and see how far they can take it. furthest i've heard is peter 86's 146bhp on s2 rallye engine with big bad cam and s1 nlet

Surely that figure of Peter's is with the bodies?

And Leo's 1.4 S1 Rallye is around 120 ATW too :cool:

[Asa106]

no body cares.
Couldn't have said it better lol

[slammed106]

i beleive mine and mikes (gallandro) are about the 140 mark.. i know cyber on the RR has had similar engines at 142odd..

i`d like to try hi-comp pistons and GMC`s big ass cam in mine possibly even a move up to R1 carbs... but that aint gonna happen for a bloody long while..

[aidy]

Surely that figure of Peter's is with the bodies?

And Leo's 1.4 S1 Rallye is around 120 ATW too :cool:


no mate, that was with the s1 inlet! ;) most of the similar specced s1 inleted cars were running around that

[minigoth45]

un fortunately i cant do much to mine cause its diesel. but i have ordered the green air filter it is taking ages to get here thou. i ordered it on the 18th and the bloody phone number doesnt work to ring them

[titch]

You'll find that a filter on a diesel wont do owt, except make it a LOT louder.

[minigoth45]

i want it louder. is there anything i can do for performance

[titch]

When I say louder, I dont mean like a petrol induction louder, I mean like a tractor louder. I put one on, thought it responded better, took it off, and it was still the same.

As for performance, Mechsman has a decat exhaust on his, and he said it made a difference. Or just strip it like I did at one point, lol.

[minigoth45]

but wont taking off the cat fail the mot. there must be something else i can do

[pugsport]

but wont taking off the cat fail the mot. there must be something else i can do

dont need a cat on a diesel so will still go throw the mot

diesels have a smoke test

i also had to wait a while for my green cotton induction kit as it had to come from france

[minigoth45]

this is my first ever diesel so i want it to last and pass the MOT i thought about a turbo but it would be an absolute b*tch to fit

[vossy]

i belive peters 1.6 made 122bhp ATW with the bodies:)

[kris]

so much debating on something that spurred from me putting Injectors as a mod

[pug51]

tbh titch the injectors on mine arent realy doing much imo.
to realy make the most of them the fueling Does need to be adjusted via the ecu.
iv just rang lambys garage and they are having the car for a whole morning sometime next week or maybe next sturday, its 3 hours and they are getting a power read out first, adjusting the fueling and the vernier pully on the cam so its correct, then they will make sure the fuel to air is right and hopefully, fingers crossed. it will run a lot better.
basicly its having a re-map, but tbh its not realy the word, its just having the fueling adjusted via the ecu.
im then getting a rr readout by them straight after its been done, its £40 anour and it will take 3 hours or so.
hopefully it will make a good difference.
ibut tbh if someone is going to have bigger injectors then i would reccomend having this done. im no expert but from what i have spoke to the bloke who is doing the work it will be better with it having those injectors because it gived more freedom of how much the fueling can be played about with.
obviously it doesnt want to be running rich either though.

[titch]

iv just rang lambys garage and they are having the car for a whole morning sometime next week or maybe next sturday, its 3 hours and they are getting a power read out first, adjusting the fueling and the vernier pully on the cam so its correct, then they will make sure the fuel to air is right and hopefully, fingers crossed. it will run a lot better.
basicly its having a re-map, but tbh its not realy the word, its just having the fueling adjusted via the ecu.
So what the **** were we arguing about earlier then? Its not a remap, cause its only the fuelling being adjusted, not the whole map! And you've said so yourself!

And them injectors are definately making some kind of difference, as it was 96bhp before the cam. So think about it, that means that a quiky with a decat and air filter and vtr inlet can make 96bhp? 90bhp maybe, but not 20bhp over standard. So the injectors are making a difference.

[XsI_RaCeR]

round about what bhp shpuld it be running with

green stuff airfilter

kent cams

supersprint manifold

magnex s/s decat pipe

[pug51]

titch they do not imo, in this case your wrong tbh, so your sayiong without the injectors it could make 90 bhp but not 96, so that must mean you think vtr injectors make 6bhp lmao.
no
and also you just throw the word re-map around without knowing what it means
you must think you take your car somewhere, they plug it in and press a button and your car makes 10bhp more, it aint a derv
and the place where we are going on 10th may do not do re-maps on them either, they will do you a piggyback ecu, i rang them to check

[titch]

No, a remap includes changing the map on the ECU completely, so that the car's characteristics are altered. IE. Changing the fuelling/air/rev limit/spark timing, etc, etc. Not just randomly throwing it around. ;)
And on a derv, theres a lot less than that. You're the one making out a remap is simply plug in, change and you've got more power, hence why you think just changing the fuelling is a remap.

[pug51]

no titch i dont, you just think there is only 1 type of re-map and they are all the same, i have spken to the people who do them at legnth on the phone, lets not argue and spam this thread anymore,
its getting set up tbh, unless i want to pay £500 for a piggyback ecu then its the closest thing, if a remap was so simple then why are all the gti boys with cams buying piggyback ecu's when you say thet re-maps are only £300. hmmmmm
you better tell them that they have wasted their money.
the end
lol...

[titch]

Well, ive just explained that I dont think theres only one type of remap. :confused:
And a full remap is usually about 300 quid. :)

[pug51]

lol so tell me why i know that 2 people on here that have just had cams fitted are getting a piggyback ecu.
im off anyway

[fred]

because they want more function offered by a piggy back system?

Remap is basically fueling, with some ignition timing and rev and idle limits set.

[titch]

No, a remap includes changing the map on the ECU completely, so that the car's characteristics are altered. IE. Changing the fuelling/air/rev limit/spark timing, etc, etc. Not just randomly throwing it around. ;)
And on a derv, theres a lot less than that. You're the one making out a remap is simply plug in, change and you've got more power, hence why you think just changing the fuelling is a remap.
So what id said then Fred? :p

[fred]

yea but you can have a remap and the ignition timing/rev limit etc might not need to be altered... still a remap if just the fueling is altered

[pug51]

thank you fred, as i said titch, mine IS a re-map, you didnt think it was because it was £120 llmao.

[pug51]

anyway ill come back with my rr results from my "apparently cheep and w**k re-map (according to titchster)
and i will show you my w**k power increase or decrease

[titch]

You said yourself, earlier, that its not really a remap. I quoted it.

[fred]

nah i just have never heard of remaps being so cheap! The skill and technology involved usually bump the price up alot.

I used wank in the loosest of terms :)

[pug51]

tbh fred i wasnt saying it was a full re-map
just having some stuff messed with via the ecu, in that case imo, its classes as a re-map, not a full remap granted.
plus it will end up more than £120
they just charge £40 anour and ill probabully be looking at closer to 200 after other bits and bobs.

[titch]

All cleared up now, terms agreed. Sorted.

[306]

dead random like i got a 1.4 306 iv looked round and apprently a 106 1.4 engine the same so jus wondering can i drop 106 parts straight in

[wildchuck08]

now will all of those mods can they be done to a 1.0 escapade if so i want to do it

[( . Y . ) joey ( . Y . )]

i flew past a 1.2 corsa in my 1.1 lol

[Davveee]

i flew past a 1.2 corsa in my 1.1 lol

I went past a ferrari in my 1.1 that i cant legally drive ;)
















Damn that was a good dream:D

[Rallye James]

I overtook an R8 in my 8v ;)

[Uz]

I overtook my dads Rolls Royce Silver Dawn down the bypass yesterday in an 8v:D and it was doing 100

[titch]

I overtook about 10 lorries today. :rolleyes:

Although in all fairness, a Ferrari couldnt quite pass me in the runoff space coming off a roundabout, a bit back, fair enough they weren't actually giving it any power (at all) but they pulled in the right lane, got half way past and had to drop back. :cool: Daz and Lizzie_gti saw it as proof. ;)

[106_Andy]

over took a golf GTI today along some nice country lanes, muwhahahahahha!

Looked back to make sure that white hair belonged to an old granny to make me feel proud!

[supatanka]

hmm i reckon you could play with 1.2 8v dunno about the 16v though :P anyone had serious gains with a 1,1?

[titch]

^Gina G. Turbo.

[Gina_G]

^Gina G. Turbo.


you called :o

[titch]

Jeez, you're almost as quick as your 1.1 was. :p

[pug51]

lol titch will you stop with the ferrari thing.
lmao you said it tried passing you thinking yours was a 1.1 then realised it wasnt and couldnt get passed.
lmfao.

[106turbo]

woow how did i miss this thread lol i agree with the comments from pug51 and fishfire.

Not read all of the thread though.

[106quicksilver**]

would anyone tell me how much i would need to spend for some decent cams on a quicksilver and how much gain i would see from it? Not very knowledgable about this so would apreciate any help, thanks!

[Dan C]

For a start its a CAM. Only single cam engines.

Be looking in the region of £200 new or about £100 second hand. Makes a noticable difference. Pulls alot better, and power delivery is different.

[Warnsey106]

What performance modifacations could you make to a 1.1 8v carb model? without converting it to mpi?

[Warnsey106]

Bump! :D

[simo's2xsi]

hi there, i've been busy playin with my 1.4 xsi, here's wot ive done:-

ported polished head,
106 xsi 1.4 100bhp cam,
xsi crank, pistons, polished rods, linners
saxo 1.4 alloy block,
induction kit,
cat de-pipe,
magnex zorst,
my dad's custom engine management,

wot can i say my first xsi was a 1.4 100bhp model, and i thought that was quick, lowered, 15's and 130 mph top speed three up,the one i have now is twice as quick and a lot lighter
simo

[106boi]

im with warnsey106 aswell what can us 1.1 carb owners do to ours? so so far ive stripped it, k&n, and back box. is there a fast road cam that will actually fit a 1.1 or another inlet off another model or something cause i cant be doing with all this noise but only about 55bhp lol help would be awsome =] .

[Warnsey106]

Yeh too right come on guys lol help us out..

[utternutter]

wot can i say my first xsi was a 1.4 100bhp model, and i thought that was quick, lowered, 15's and 130 mph top speed three up,the one i have now is twice as quick and a lot lighter
simo

:eek:260mph!!!!!!! u can over take bugattis!:eek::p

[robpeck18]

:eek:260mph!!!!!!! u can over take bugattis!:eek::p lol.

[rb220491]

i have a 1.1 carb engine. and my car is ok on accel, but past 70 it feels flat as ****. can any of you guys help me gain some extra horsies out of my car???

[L_anglis]

anyone done the vtr inlet and injectors?? any diff??
thinking about this as the next step along with a mani :)

[sexy_gt]

best mod i thought for my old 8v was a miltek 421 manifold :)

[lukehudson]

you can put a whole vtr enigine in the quiky and run it off a quiky ecu!!
it runs slighty rich lol for any best gains a remap is needed

[slickman7]

erm can anyone please explain how the raceland air filter is supposed to fit on a 8v went on to the kam site and they say its made to fit the gti ?? if anyones got pictures of on an 8v thats would be great

[Pellegrino]

somebody knows if is possible to use the pistons of the TU3JP engine (1.4l) on the TU9M engine (1.0l) ?

[Rallye James]

erm can anyone please explain how the raceland air filter is supposed to fit on a 8v went on to the kam site and they say its made to fit the gti ?? if anyones got pictures of on an 8v thats would be great

The pipe you get with the kit fits the GTi, to fit it to the 8v you need a longer pipe (15cm) to reach the throttle body.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/james106rallye/S6002259.jpg

The blue pipe is what you need.

[rb220491]

what about r1 carbs???

[Ashley_T]

As for CC difference, the VTR is 1587cc, I believe, as for the 1.4, im not too sure, think it may be something along the lines of 1427cc. So over 250cc difference. Not quite as much as the change you made, haha, however it means it still idles as smooth as a standard 1.4 engine. :)

sorry if it already been pointed out... cba to read all the thread....

quilky engine is 1360cc as are all "1.4" 8v psa engines ;)

[slickman7]

so just looking for a samco blue hose right will that have to be model specift to the xsi or will just fit right on ??

[Rallye James]

No, not model specific, and it doesn't have to be blue if you don't want :p Just needs to be 15cm long and internal diameter is 63mm (if I remember rightly) :)

[bagged]

nor' them nova boys

[peugeot/citroen mutant]

no, a remap includes changing the map on the ecu completely, so that the car's characteristics are altered. Ie. Changing the fuelling/air/rev limit/spark timing, etc, etc. Not just randomly throwing it around. ;)
and on a derv, theres a lot less than that. You're the one making out a remap is simply plug in, change and you've got more power, hence why you think just changing the fuelling is a remap.

utter bollocks!

[bod7]

utter bollocks!
hear ye^^

[titch]

Meh, back at the time I was just trying to make him think he was wrong lolz.

[FlawlessMonkey]

i cant seem to find a 4-2-1 exhaust mani for a s2 8v its a 1998 XL... any help? oooo and looking for a new inlet mani aswell but... not sure on what one best and what modifications are needed to fit it

[titch]

Plenty of 8v 4-2-1s about matey, have a look on Ebay, Raceland ones are the cheapest to buy new, but take a bit of work to fit right. When they're on they do the job though.

[FlawlessMonkey]

ahhhh ok cheers... was lookin on ebay and it ses mk1..... does it really make a difference.

if i put on a vtr inlet mani what other mods would i have to put tof it it and get best outa it