Idle problem

[Quiksilver_TR]

Right I have got a idle issue with the quiky atm.

When you first start it in the mornings it idles then when you first rev it to pull off, the revs lower and it then proceeds to stall.

Once this has finished having its funny five it drives fine, until it gets warm, when, when you release the throttle to pull upto a junction or when you put the clutch down to change gear the revs stick.

Getting a bit annoying now and it is hampering the braking performance and decreasing my fuel economy to about 30mpg from 45!

Any ideas and help?

Cheers

[Quiksilver_TR]

Just got a quote for a new idle valve £95, and I would need to fit it.

I do need to know if this is the problem though. I have got it booked into Peugeot for Friday for them to have a look at the fault codes.

[Fuzzy Orange]

Sounds a LOT like idle control valve

But I wouldnt pay £90

I think http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Peugeot-106-206-306-idle-air-control-valve-A97122_W0QQitemZ250062026476QQihZ015QQcategoryZ104 06QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem those fit but would need to check the model number

[Tuscan]

Do you not just need to clena it out?

Fuzz mate can you locate mine in my photos?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/DSC00104.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/tuscan_/bay.jpg

[Quiksilver_TR]

Already tried cleaning it out.

Cheers Phil, that a much better price to be paying.

[Raz]

could be the map sensor too, cant harm getting a new idle air tho, only cheap off ebay

Raz

[Fuzzy Orange]

If it was the manifold absolute pressure sensor the car would run like shit all the way through the rev range

If it cuts out when you drop the clutch or holds high revs at lights and things thats the idle control valve :)

Nath absolutely no clue matey - your car is a single point injection system with carb - I suspect instead of an idle control valve it just keeps the butterfly slightly open in the carb or may even run a choke system

[Raz]

yes but as on my car, the sensor works fine sometimes and other times the thing just cant get a grip. i plugged the quiky in at college and up popped a tripping fault with the map sensor. so i cleared the ecu codes (as i dont know how long it had been there) retested her and still the same fault.

as you said the sticking of the revs is most probs the iacv, but the way it dies under throttle, that cant be the iacv.

but i would get iacv changed first as that sounds upset.

Raz

[Quiksilver_TR]

Are the Valves plug and play or do they need setting up to run right?

[Raz]

The idle air control valve will just plug in fella, remove the battery tho

Raz

[Tuscan]

F*Sake, this is another reason why i cant wait to be rid of my car!

It sticks at 2rpm sometimes at the lights.. wich makes me look like a tosser becoz the backbox is chatting away.

[Quiksilver_TR]

It is quite embarrasing when it does stick!

[Raz]

its really off the top of my head but i seem to remember it being a small-ish black box

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/raza95supra/iacv1.jpg

will try and have a look at my mates 1.1

Raz

[Tuscan]

Ah cheers dude. I would go and confirm that but the cars having the Mot :-[ wich i have a bad feeling about

[Fuzzy Orange]

yes but as on my car, the sensor works fine sometimes and other times the thing just cant get a grip. i plugged the quiky in at college and up popped a tripping fault with the map sensor. so i cleared the ecu codes (as i dont know how long it had been there) retested her and still the same fault.

as you said the sticking of the revs is most probs the iacv, but the way it dies under throttle, that cant be the iacv.

but i would get iacv changed first as that sounds upset.

Raz


He didn't say it dies under throttle??

[Raz]

when you first rev it to pull off, the revs lower and it then proceeds to stall.


thought he ment it dies under throttle? or is it once you have come off the throttle?

Raz

[Fuzzy Orange]

He's saying it dies when off throttle and dropping the clutch at a junction
OR it holds its revs and you have to brake through the revving

Exact problem I had when my ICV died

[Raz]

sorry my fault then, thought he ment upon full throttle.

100% iacv then ::)

Raz

[Quiksilver_TR]

You wouldn't have a picture of the engine bay that shows all the different sensors labelled?
Just to check.

Cheers

[rich106quiksilver]

I was thinking a picture of the engine bay with labels of where stuff is would make a good sticky :)

[Fuzzy Orange]

Someone post an early style quiky engine (black top) and a late style (silver top) and I'll label them up and make it sticky

[Quiksilver_TR]

Only one Ive got atm.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g22/Quiksilver_TR/230606_RCover_1.jpg
this is a later "silver top"

[Quiksilver_TR]

I bought the valve off eBay, mentioned above, arrived next day and I fitted it yesterday (once the snow had stopped falling) and it seems to have cured the problem.

Only took me 30mins to fit, but to do it I had to remove all the air intake and then remove the throttle body from the inlet, so that I could get to the valve.

:D

[Fuzzy Orange]

Mate

I know you said your car idled at 2k until you put the idle control valve pipe onto a proper saxo induction kit

Could you try taking the pipe off and starting the car up see if it idles at 2/2.5k

Also could you take a pic of the connector on the saxo induction - like through the hole so I can see if there is a restrictor piece in it

Kinda running out of ideas here :(

Owe you a huge one if you could help out mate

[Gina_G]

Mate

I know you said your car idled at 2k until you put the idle control valve pipe onto a proper saxo induction kit

Could you try taking the pipe off and starting the car up see if it idles at 2/2.5k

Also could you take a pic of the connector on the saxo induction - like through the hole so I can see if there is a restrictor piece in it

Kinda running out of ideas here :(

Owe you a huge one if you could help out mate

Hey Phil

Right 1st of looking at your pictures the breather is piped up wrong, the pipe next to the stepper motor I blocked up if I took that off it would idle at a steady 2k.

The pipe going from the stepper into the induction part regulates the air as you know.

I will take lots of pictures for you tommorow lunch time and post them up when I get back from work just after 4. It will take you literally 30minutes if that to sort the rest out very very simple

[Fuzzy Orange]

Cheers matey

If you could take pics of the area on the induction kit where the ICV pipe connects, the inside of it so I can see if its open or restricted

And also the ICV pipe

Owe you a big one :)

[Gina_G]

Yes I will do all of that no problems for you mate tommorow, I will tell you now the hole that the stepper pipe attaches to on the induction side is restricted somewhat by the samco hose which I punctured a small hole through.

Pics aint great in my DIY guid but see what you can make of it until I get better pics tommorow, still shows how I have plumbed in the oil breather and charcoal canister

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1142

[Gina_G]

Here are some better pictures for you, as you can see my breather system is joined as one piece like OE inc to the charcoal canister.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Sadako_Yamamura/VTR%20Inlet%20Ftting/DSC00513.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Sadako_Yamamura/VTR%20Inlet%20Ftting/DSC00518.jpg

The pipe you need to block over is the one next to the map sensor, taken the pipe and bolt off so you can see behind it. Also when adjusting the idle via the clip if you find you can get a good idle add a small washer like I have and it will be fine, dont go to fat start off small

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Sadako_Yamamura/VTR%20Inlet%20Ftting/DSC00514.jpg

The following pictures show the fat pipe from the stepper motor to were it joins to on the induction tract. You do not have to have it in the same place as me just make sure were ever you put it that it is air tight.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Sadako_Yamamura/VTR%20Inlet%20Ftting/DSC00517.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Sadako_Yamamura/VTR%20Inlet%20Ftting/DSC00515.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Sadako_Yamamura/VTR%20Inlet%20Ftting/DSC00516.jpg

The bit were the pipe joins on the induction cone take off behind it is some of the blue samco hose which I have only pierced a hole through not big so you can see through it but enough to let ait through

[Fuzzy Orange]

You're a legend mate - cant say thanks enough

Looks like the throttle cable is the wrong length for the vtr manifold!

Might buy a proper vtr throttle cable unless they are a complete bitch to change

[Gina_G]

I ended up getting an XSi one for mine as mine was pretty dead, saying that if you can rob one off a pre2k quiky that would work ok.

TB cable easy to change when you know how could do it in 30min or less but it is another fiddly job to do. Also make sure the brake servo pipe goes under the fat pipe as I found when the engine movement if its ontop it can come off!

[Guy]

throttle cable is sooooooooooo much easier with the engine out!



i change dmine with engine out :D

[Guy]

btw... the charcoal cannister usually goes to the one on the right, and the one you have blocked off goes straight round to the rocker breather.

like so

http://www.guysleeman.co.uk/gallery2/d/1020-2/engine+04_02-14+005.jpg
http://www.guysleeman.co.uk/gallery2/d/837-1/03+11+-+02+005.jpg

all does the same job though. aslong as theyre all connected up.

[Gina_G]

Yeah your right guy both does same job

[Fuzzy Orange]

I think looking at it the only bit im missing is the pipe for the idle control valve

It has 2 really tight bends in it where the pipe is squashed nearly flat - so acts as a restrictor to stop the ICV sucking too much air in

Because mine is open its idling at 2k

So im gonna play with making a restrictor pipe - and if all else fails i'll buy the proper hose and plumb it into my raceland induction kit somehow LOL

[Guy]

just connect a bit of pipe from the ICV straight to the piping where your air filter is

that stainless pipe on mine had a take off underneath it that it connected to.

and i dont think it is squashed from memory? its just the routing that G has taken thats kinked it a bit? after all its going to suck enough air through even if its got a massive restrictor. mine never kinked at the 'filter' end anyway.

just try it with a piece of thick pipe. allthough finding a piece of pipe to fit might be more of a problem than going to shitroen and buying the pipe for a couple of quid.

post pics of your inlet and pipe arrangment.

to be honest i cant see how the ICV pipe alone is letting the idle high. could be wrong though.
would be helpful if someone would disconnect the ICV pipe from the ICV and see if their idle is altered?

you sure you havent got an air leak somewhere?


i could be wrong, just giving my opinions :)

[Fuzzy Orange]

LOL I've been asking everyone to unhook the pipe and see what happens - the saxo clubs are all useless tossers

The ICV just sucks too much air in mate - no leaks anywhere else
If I put my thumb over half the ICV intake it idles perfectly :)

[Guy]

well just put a bit of tape over half of it then duh.


or bend it in half and put a tie wrap on it.

mine never had a kink at the end near the filter.

[Gina_G]

pipe off = 3-5k idle been there done that when converting it

[Fuzzy Orange]

Kink isnt near the filter- its where it bolts to the icv - comes up from bottom - 90 degree bend into idle controller

Anyway I cant test anything at the moment cos im missing a water sensor

Should get that tonight - then tomrrow I can blead the coolant system and try a few things :)

[Guy]

your best off going to shitroen and ordering the correct pipe then.

cos if thats teh case if you have the wrong amount of kinkiness (oo - er)

it will all go to shit

[Gina_G]

going to scrappy on weekend will try getting you one from there if all else goes bad

[Fuzzy Orange]

Ordered one from citroen today

But hold fire lads - got an update

IT RUNS!!! ITS ALIVE!
I'm so happy!

Got a new temp sensor and thermostat housing from pug today

Just wanged them in and re-blead the system, and its not overheating so air lock is gone

Left it idling 2500rpm for 3 or 4 minutes
Then it stepped down - 2000rpm
so thought "hmmmmm lets just leave it for a while"
Another minute and it dropped to 1200rpm

Curious....
A minute later 800rpm - perfect tick over

Revved it - sat back down to 800rpm

Tried turning it off for 10 mins - went back - 800rpm

Im chuffed to bits

Either the car has now decided to idle really fast while on choke, or the ecu has learnt that the ICV is sucking too much air and shut it off a bit

Either way I've either got a perfectly running car, or im gonna have to sit for 5mins before leaving in the mornings for it to come off choke
I don't mind - its ace

The throttle sounds amazing!

Im still missing a bracket for the throttle cable otherwise I'd be out thrapping it round the local back roads WOOHOOO! :D

[Rallye James]

Fuzzensteins monster is alive! :D

Good to hear it, get some miles on it now ;)

[Guy]

told you this the other day.. lol

when i first connected my unlocked ECU the car ran like shit, sounded like it was on 3 cylinders. drove it up the street and it was rough as ****. i let it run and it eventually cut out

started it up and hey presto sounded fine, idled a bit high, took it for a drive, when i stopped the idle sorted itself out, then it learns more stuff when you do some fast driving, low rev driving, driving in traffic, etc.. after doing these various different driving situations it ran fine

the same happened when i had my ecu unplugged for a long time too.


have you started it today? how did it go? did it idle ok straight away?


also pics on how the car is looking now?

[Fuzzy Orange]

Started it today chap - 1100rpm on choke which is about normal, then a nice 800rpm when warm - spot on :D

So I dont need all that crappy pipe stuff - breather filter is going on the ICV lol

I'll take some more pics this afternoon mate


I dont know poncing about in your hairdressers car with bolt on hair drier and your still the 106 guru LOL

[Zippy]

This started a couple of days ago..

I'll try and explain the best i can.

Bssically, sometimes when i pull up to a junction and stick the car in neutral the rev thingy goes up to about 1100 sometimes 2000!

Then when i get in gear and set off the rev drops all the way then rise's and then drops. Feel's like its going to cut out. I have it rev like a mad man to get out of it.

Any idea's what this could be?

She's going to a garage tomorrow, but if i can get a rough idea on whats wrong then i can help explain.

cheers :)

[cknotty]

Sticky idle control valve perhaps?

[Zippy]

Thats what i was thinking.

Cheers for the reply mate

[Quiksilver_TR]

Have you recently changed a coil pack?

Because you could have the same problem has me, which I think might have to be a new ECU.

[james_106]

Been having exactly the same problem, think i solved it by taking the induction kit off, but havent had chance to drive it yet as i have a coolant leak.

[Zippy]

Have you recently changed a coil pack?

Because you could have the same problem has me, which I think might have to be a new ECU.

Not as far as i know mate. Only owned the car a month.

[Matt_Pug_106]

clean the idle control valve i had the same problem and its sorted now!

[oasisjohn]

Hey,

New to the forum and Peugeot's, got a 106 recently and after a little while it started giving me right problems.

Firstly it would cut out completely when bite was put on it or driving, in particular at junctions and roundabouts. I took it to a garage and it had some error codes and they replaced the idle control valve which cleared the code but didnt stop the problem.

Fedup I bit the bullet and took it to a dealership and the said it needed a new throttle body and o2 sensor, they couldnt get a throttle body in for 14 days and wanted a fortune so I sourced one from a breakers, cleaned it up and they fitted it.

Now it doesnt cut out at all and runs generally fine (not stalled once since!) however theres a slight problem that annoys me.

When its cold I noticed when driving once (and generally only once) the first junction I pull away from ill get a slight loss in power, stutter moving away with revs dropping to around 1000 and then suddenly will pick up and sort itself out.

It could be related but this lunchtime I went out to move it so its been cold since 8.30 this morning and noticed that if I gently touch the accelerator pedel (in gear or just idle) theres a slight drop in revs before it goes up, usually from its normal idle of 1000-1200 to just above 850 for a brief second before the revs go up.
You notice it physically as you hear the engine drop and then pickup without changing your foot.

Sometimes the loss is for slightly longer but it always corrects itself and think this might be the cause of my problem. Normally in the mornings I phaff around for a few minutes before driving away and I usually have my music on so never hear or notice it until I get to the first junction!

after about 2 minutes it stopped doing it when I could feal heat coming through the heater.

Any ideas what this slight dip might be, I have changed the above + plugs but not the HT leads or coil pack.

Thanks.

John

[oasisjohn]

Oh and with regards to the erratic idle, when the car starts up its around 1200, and drops to 1100 then 1000 when warm which im fine with, but when its on 1000 it sort of drops between 1000 and 950, you see the needle flicker on the counter and can hear the engine quickly adjusting power, Ive checked all the pipes for air loss and cant see any obvious problems there.

I dont know if this is normal or related to my problems, no one so far has come up with a solution :/

[G124EME_XSI]

my cars got an erratic idle.aparently its quite a common fault .mine doesnt cut out at all tho.and sumtimes it will b fine.my old 106 wen cold was really juddery and wen u put ur foot dwn u cud feel the engine holding back and it wudnt move newhere .but tht is just because it was cold.

[oasisjohn]

Aye thats what I thought, tbh the erratic idle doesnt bother me that much I just wondered if anyone had managed to resolve it :) and if it was related to my other problem

Its just the power loss when cold that concerns me a bit.

I was speaking to someone on another forum and their 106 does the same but doesnt feel its a problem but I've never driven a car that litterally drops revs when you put your foot on the accelerator in gear or idle!!

I just find it weird it only displays this problem for a couple of minutes until its warmed up and its got to be some kind of simple fault and ive replaced most things now! So annoying :(

[Weebluemonster]

Hmm, that sounds like my 106!! And my Boyfriends 1.6VTS does that to some days.
Some days mine i fine, like this morning, started surprisingly well, but the sun had been on it for a while, parked it iin the share at work and when I went o move it thisafternoon the juddering was back. went o my mates, parked in sun and so it heated up and started fine when we went to leave to go to stables. Had to park in the shade there and when we went to leave the juddering was back! Also I did 20 miles and its gone down from reading 1/2 tank to a 1/4!! Now I know I dont drive THAT harsh!! lol. Bloody cars!

[G124EME_XSI]

yea its just the fact its cold m8.its to do with it having a automatic choke.it aint a problem tho.and the erratic idle prob i dnt think ne1 has sorted or even bothered with for tht matter.its just a common thing on the older cars,but dusnt cause ne problems as far as i know.

[gazz]

Oh and with regards to the erratic idle, when the car starts up its around 1200, and drops to 1100 then 1000 when warm which im fine with, but when its on 1000 it sort of drops between 1000 and 950, you see the needle flicker on the counter and can hear the engine quickly adjusting power, Ive checked all the pipes for air loss and cant see any obvious problems there.

I dont know if this is normal or related to my problems, no one so far has come up with a solution :/

Sounds like mine on cold mornings. Apart from mine starts at about 1100 and drops to about 950 when it gets warm.

I don't think it is a serious problem mate. :D

Where abouts in Hertfordshire are you from?

[oasisjohn]

Thanks for the replies everyone! Glad to see its not a serious problem, just had so many problems with this car since I've had it im a bit paranoid now!!

I like small nippy cars and although mine isn't modded or anything it still goes if you put your foot down!
Now all i've got to do is fix the leaking ariel, ive got a nice water feature coming out of the courtosy light (which I managed to break trying to find out where it was coming!).

Im from Letchworth, which is only a few miles from Luton :p

Here's a question for everyone, someone sent me a saxo dash cluster with the white dials, as I have a phase 1 106 it wont fit but I was told it would fit newer 106's.

In my haynes manual it shows 3/4 connectors along the top unlike this cluster which has 2 plugs + a speedo connector, having seen the back of a 106 GTI cluster I know it has the same connectors so im trying to sell it and apart from the 106 GTI do other 106 models have the same style connectors as I want to sell this item but dont want to miss-quote it :>

[james_106]

I had the same leak in my car, someone on here just said to twist the ariel straight and it should sort the leak out, and it did stop the leak. try it

[oasisjohn]

Hmmm when I looked at it yesterday it seemed to be possible to push it up slightly and a little cap appeared, cheers for the tip ill take another look, need to fix that before I put the new light in :/

[Sheepy]

How do you clean the idle control valve?

[darren106]

How do you clean the idle control valve?

I'd like to know too:)

[cknotty]

I'd like to know too:)

Take it out and give it good spray inside with WD40.

[Quiksilver_TR]

I had a tuning guy come out and diagnose my idle/revving problem and it turned out to be a fubar'd ECU temperature sender.

Fixed it today and it runs sweet!

[Sheepy]

Take it out and give it good spray inside with WD40.

Dosn't need taking apart or anything like that then? Just spray the end and get rid of the crap?

Sounds easy! I wonder what will go wrong!

[nm_coolj]

Hi iv got a xr 1997 1.4 only had it a month but since iv had it its been cutting out on idle. Been told its a map sensor and it might just need cleaning instead of replacing.
Anyone got a picture of what it looks like and how to clean.
Anyone else had this problem???

[Jon B]

Few more questions, to get an accurate diagnosis.

Does it happen more when engine is hot or cold?

Do you have a flat spot between 1,000 - 2,000 RPM?

Does your car stutter occasionally?

Does the car cut out when compressing the clutch?

This problem is quite common, but can be due to a whole host of reasons, of which making the wrong diagnosis can make the whole process quite pricey, the mistake I have made. :)

[nm_coolj]

Well when i have driven it about for abit it stays on for a few minutes but not because its hot. If i just started the car and warmed it up it still wouldnt stay on.

When it is staying on for a few minutes and i put some rev into it first it feels like its gonna cut out before it raises again.
More like its choking before it goes up again.

Somtimes at random it stays on for about 10-20 seconds before it cuts off. Other times it might stay on for a second or two and than cut out.

[liam84]

sounds to me like ur idle control valve aka stepper motor quite common!

[nm_coolj]

If it is the idle control valve would it be sorted by a clean or would it need replacing?

[Billy_boy]

mine did a similar thing wghen i first got her... worth looking at the oxygen sensor, i replaced mine and its been perfect ever since...

[Fuzzy Orange]

I would say idle control valve at first - you can buy them from pug and I dont think they are much £20 ish

It's not likely to be map sensor - as the car only uses map sensor when its warmed up and you have throttle open
On closed throttle the ecu goes into a closed loop and will run a set program

Other thing could be lambda sensor (oxygen sensor) in the exhaust or also quite likely is water temp sensor as if the car doesnt know its cold it wont run on choke and will cut out - these are also only about £10-20 from pug

Hope that helps :)

[nm_coolj]

what i noticed today is that when i press and release the gas pedal before starting the car than it stays on for abit longer before it cuts out.

[danvilla2]

Out of interest, have you got the standard air box on or an induction kit?

[nm_coolj]

Nope iv got the standard air box.
But today i took it for a new clutch and got the oilfilter done as well and for some reason its staying on.
Dont have a clue how its connected to that be let see if it stays like this.
thanks anyway ppl.

[nm_coolj]

Ohh well it didnt stay like that for long. just my luck. But there definetly an improvement. The car stays on for a good 10-15secs unlike before.
Anyway thanks everyone for helping but looks like im gonna b selling up now. had enough with it.

[Jon B]

Aye, it's definately a frustrating problem. Has put me right off French cars. Should have listened to the voices.

[joe106gti]

clean the throttle body out (guide in diy section) if not. ICV replacement. from peugeot about £50

[ZeroCooL]

right expensive part eh! i need one for mine i reckon

[jackgti]

Hey

Havent had my gti long but one thing i have noticed is that when the car is up to temp and i stop at traffic lights or park etc the car has a bit of a lumpy idle , its not lumpy when driving when hot or when the car is cold , and today when i was sitting it was a bit lumpy and the fan came on and the exhaust started popping and back firing , any ideas what this could be ?

Cheers.

[shaw-106]

Yes. When your stationery there is no air coming into the engine. so the engine gets very hot and that is why the fan comes on. (normal).

The lumpy situation is very very common amongst earlier gti's. It has happened to most people. It will be the sensors.... either they need re adjusting or cleaning.

Its not a major problem mate so no worrying!!

[Grant_JGTI]

plugs mate? i was running bosch super 4's and the car hated them.. otheerwise is the egine standard? this is quit common for a cammed engine? you could try cleaning out the throttle plenum? joe has posted a guide up on this in the how-to section

[joe106gti]

yeh happens to early gtis for some reason. clean the throttle body as grant said (cheers for forwarding that) guide in the diy how to. after that ICV, idle control valve sensor. could get it from a scrappy or from peugeot. not too hard to fix

[ebooksgti]

any one no were i can buy a cheap icv from as pug want 105.00 and d local scrappy aint gt none

[Fuzzy Orange]

See if you can find the part number on it mate

Im not sure what the gti ones look like - but i've got a few in my garage :)

[ebooksgti]

ok will av a look 2moz thanks

[jackgti]

Thanks for the replys :cool:

Yea the engine is standard , wish it was cammed :)

The spark plugs have just been changed 2 weeks ago in a service and it was a bit lumpy before that so think it might need the throttle body cleaning and maybe have a look at the sensors , did later model gti's come with different sensors ?

[stan_the_man]

I removed the throttle body on my ladys VTS, thoroughly cleaned it inside and out, removed the ICV (idle control valve) and cleaned that out too, in the hope of a more happy-running Saxo.

Since re-assembling the TB and ICV the car will not idle like it used to. It will now only idle at 2000RPM and occasionaly shoot up to 4000RPM and settle back to 2000RPM again. Occasionaly it will keep revving my bits self from 1500-2500 rpm then settle back to 2000.

Is the the usual story of getting a new ICV??

[stan_the_man]

Oh and theres no air leaks by the way;)

While the car was running i disconnected the ICv and it made no difference whatsoever, buy yet once i switch the ignition off i can hear the solenoid inside the ICV retracting - odd.

[Edamski]

When i put my P/P TB on i had too change the ICV over and mine hunts now almost constantly, so maybe they dont like being removed in general, sorry this doesn't help some food for thought though.

[darylb]

i no peedee has jus spruced his 1 up duno wots goin on wit it tho he aint said theres been any probs

[GTi Andy]

Did you clean the MAF sensor as well?

[the flying scot]

This happened to me when cleaning my brothers throttle body and sensors! Think i turned the car on and off numerous times times one after another and it eventually settled. Was told too do this by a mate. Worked for me. Or my disconnect battery and see if it resets it or sumfin when reconnected.

[stan_the_man]

Did you clean the MAF sensor as well?


Yep, is this a no-no?

[Edamski]

well i know there delicate but apart from that i dunno

[David106gti]

the idle stepper motor doesnt seem to like being removed with the battery connected. i broke my idle stepper motor that way, had to replace it. but when i replaced it, it was doing the same thing so disconnected the battery and ecu for 15 minutes and was perfect after that.

[joe106gti]

dosent normally happen. dont normally know people top take the ICV off completely. maybe you dislodged it or something? take they ICV off again and re-assemble it without cleaning it. may have to run in for a while or be re-setted. engine re-set button or discopnnect the battery over night

[joe106gti]

best bet is to disconnect the battery for a night i think, let it re-set itself. then run it through idling on the drive for 20 mins or so

[peedee]

I have a VTS and did mine a couple of nights ago. Followed Joe's guide. Gave it a good clean and wiped all the carbon and s**t off. Re-assembled it carefully and its running fine. Didn't clean the ICV or anything as I've heard they're delicate.

[Edamski]

how much is a new one?

[steph]

does anyone know how to clean the icv or if you can clean it. and even where it is on a 1.1 independence it either needs cleaned or i need a new one. i cleaned out the throtle body and it didnt help the kinda stutterin it does- anyone help??

chers steph:)

[chilibabe]

Has ne one ever had any trouble wiv sensors?? :confused:

[m_kidd106]

Wot you mean temp light keeps coming on? If so am having it the now, mainly wen I go round a corner my temp light and oil light both come on.lol Its actualy really annoying, think all you can do is repalce the switches unless its more serious :-(

[cknotty]

If your engine diagnostics light (orange with an engine and transistor symbol) is coming on, try replacing the lambda sensor. If this is giving wrong signals, the engine won't fuel correctly hence the poor idle.

Chris

[rich106quiksilver]

engine light could be a number of things, I would go to Peugeot and get a error check done.

[m_kidd106]

Well my light mite be coming on due to the fact a don't have a cat converter on ma car!lol

[ZestDeux]

go with quikyrich and get a check ;)

[chilibabe]

Thnks, i have hear like a pinkin noise in the engone wen i rev so maybe its summit like wot cknotty said, i'm buyin a diagnostic thing thn get it to a garage and get thm to give it the once over

[R646FAR]

it could just be as simple as checking ur oil level the lambar sensor could be nackered my gti used to that but only in the rain but i had the original ecu checked the superchipped and its fine now touch wood lol

[chilibabe]

Well today i went to the garage and my dad's m8 put the diagnostic scanner on it and it came up with a rear sensor fault which ended up being the lambda sensor lol so he managed to wipe the fault thn went to a m8 of his and he quoted for all the body work to be done and its only gonna set me back 250 quid which i was really happy about, car went perfectly til i got half way home and the engine light came back on so will have to find the money for one of those now!! so thnks everyone for ur advice

[106vicks]

Hi guys

Ok since I have had the car at times when Im just sitting there, usually at lights etc the idle will drop right down then just go back up again, keep thinking it is going to cut out but never does. Doesnt do this everytime Im stopped just occassionally. Anyway for the first time last night it dropped and cut out. My hubby use to have a 205 GTI and this did the same thing, but did cut out loads, never found out why his did it. Is it just a pug thing or my car being a little bugger?????

Any ideas why its doing this and how to sort it.

Cheers
xx

[liaminllan]

could be a number of things, idle control valve, fuel sensor, map sensor, water temp ecu sensor, id start off with cleaning out the idle control valve with some carb cleaner.

[rtsbasic]

Hi folks, I'm trying to diagnose a problem on a mates 1.1 phase 1. The engine starts fine but refuses to idle most of the time. When the clutch goes in, the engine just wants to die, even between gearchanges. On the rare time it will idle for a few secs its pretty consistant and not juddering. Thinking maybe its the idle control valve? On anything but idle it pulls okay for a 1.1 with little fuss.

It also has a (possibly related?) problem, once its going along at speed (normally above 70mph), the engine will suddenly die - with a nice backfire to go with it, the rev counter drops to 0 as well regardless of what the engine speed is. To get it going again, its necessary to pull over, locking the car/arm the alarm, wait a few secs, then dis-arm the alarm and then it'll start every time.

On the 2nd problem, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the immobiliser, is there a way to turn it off? It has the factory fitted alarm system.

Cheers.

[Tom]

Hi all,

I have a 1999 1.1 zest

Recently it started doing the high revving bit when i stopped at lights, however it hasn't cut out totally yet.

anyways to cut a long story short i took it to the garage and they put it on the tech test and it showed up the stepper motor as being faulty.

They quoted me 210quid i think to get it sorted. Being the tight ar*se that i am i decided to get it cleaned out firstly, which they offered to do for a small fee. So they have cleared the throttle housing etc and it runs much smoother now.

It still revvs up big time though when i stop at lights. So i think i'm gonna have to take the hit and get the stepper motor replaced.

My question is: can you fit these stepper motors urself? is it very tricky?
Does anyone know where to buy them for a decent price?

any help would be greatly welcomed!

many thanks
Tom

[Red106S2]

Hi all,

I have a 1999 1.1 zest

Recently it started doing the high revving bit when i stopped at lights, however it hasn't cut out totally yet.

anyways to cut a long story short i took it to the garage and they put it on the tech test and it showed up the stepper motor as being faulty.

They quoted me 210quid i think to get it sorted. Being the tight ar*se that i am i decided to get it cleaned out firstly, which they offered to do for a small fee. So they have cleared the throttle housing etc and it runs much smoother now.

It still revvs up big time though when i stop at lights. So i think i'm gonna have to take the hit and get the stepper motor replaced.

My question is: can you fit these stepper motors urself? is it very tricky?
Does anyone know where to buy them for a decent price?

any help would be greatly welcomed!

many thanks
Tom

Buddy, First of all. £210 that is OVERPRICED.

My god I would charge you £20 for the clearing of the fault codes off the ECU and about £5 for the motor (scrappy) and fit it all for you.

One problem im down in the southwest of england!

If you did want to get a new motor

You can get them for £68.00 from www.eurocarparts.com (http://www.eurocarparts.com)

Its only 3 Torx bits its a very simple job indeed.

I would not pay £210 to have that repaired!!!

[Tom]

thanks for that info mate.

I saw them on eurocarparts but was unsure which make i needed. I hope it's the cheaper version!

So if it's an easy job to fit then do i stil have to clear the problem off the ECU? is it poss. to do that by disconnecting the battery for a while? or have i made that up??

cheers
T

[Red106S2]

thanks for that info mate.

I saw them on eurocarparts but was unsure which make i needed. I hope it's the cheaper version!

So if it's an easy job to fit then do i stil have to clear the problem off the ECU? is it poss. to do that by disconnecting the battery for a while? or have i made that up??

cheers
T

If you can private message the exact details of your car too me, i can point in the direction of the correct motor.

ECUs are a funny old thing. They do self diags every now and again, however it does depend on the make and revision of the ECU again if you post the make and version of ECU I could help you further with this.

Disconnecting the Battery will not clear the fault, it is a wifes tale that I here quite often.

[SwannyQuikSilver]

when i switch full beam on the idle speed drops slightly and then goes back to normal also when i move the steering wheel....this happens with other electrical things aswel....is this normal?...or does somethin need doing?

[rich106quiksilver]

Its usual for it to dip slightly when extra electrical power is being used such as electric windows, main beam etc. Does it on both my cars, wouldnt worry too much :)

[Red106S2]

The part you require is

BOSCHn/a410735070STEPPER MOTOR CITROEN/PEUGEOT 97-02BERLINGO/SAXO/X/SX 1.1 (TU1M) 6 PIN
Stepper Motor/Bosch£85.67

Good Luck.

[Rallye88]

Hello,
Wondering if anyone knows thw cause of a small problem i seem to be having with the 16v.
It runs beautifuly and is kept well serviced but it idles badly when cold after a bit of use it idles absolutley fine. I was told it could be oil on a sensor.
Anyone got any ideas?
Cheers.

[gonzo]

hi there it cud be lambda sensor or ecu software!:confused:

[Matt_Pug_106]

clean out your air temp sensor on the throttle body it may help altho pugs always have a dodgy idle!

[antony]

head rebuild,new coilpack and plugs,throttle body cleaned,sensors cleaned and still the bitch 'hunts' at idle.
i thought it was just mine until the bluewater meet the other day

[Rallye88]

Ah ok,
Glad to hear its nothing bad, its fine once its warmed up i suppose i will just put up with it then.
Cheers for the help

[106_Andy]

Guys dont go splurting out Lamda or ECU just like that, its probablly a air leak somewhere mate.
Take it to a garage and get them to check over all the places its likely to leak air. dont go replacing the lamda just like that cause its probablly not that.
and clean out the throttle.

[gonzo]

not just saying that mate mine had really bad idle and ended up doing both and its good as gold now!!! l\just saying it maybe be the same! got a really good pug garage here called pug1off sort out all your probs!!

[jakeharvey63]

right for the first time today, my car started acting up, it wasnt wet or cold or anyfing, jus a lovely sunny day.

as i approached 40 mph, the car seemed to jerk slightly and hesitate wen accelerating, it wasnt me on the clutch or my mat on the pedal! then got 2 a set of trafic lights and my car in neutral jus at there reving up and down from 1000rpm to 2000rpm.

i then pulled away and it was alrite, i then began 2 slow down and the car started jerking at around 2000 rpm, even in 4th at 30mph.

i then got to my estate and it started doin it again wen i pushed the clutch down and wen i was in 2nd goin ova a bump, the car pulled itself over, by itself, as if it was accelerating even though both my feet were off the pedals. i got out and pulled the accelerator wire, to see if it was stuck, nufin, it jus idled higher and continue to drive itself, wen goin along!

does anyone have the foggiest wat is rong?

i checked over threads but none have this same problem!

[106_Andy]

check for a air leak around the zorst manifold etc. check everywhere for a air leak.
the seals between the zorst mani and the cylinders make sure their intact.
Mine was burnt out and was sucking in air, so the lambda thought the engine needed more fuel than wat it really wanted.
i got the lambda changed for no reason.

[jakeharvey63]

cheers m8, fanx for the advice

i jus wanna know all the possibilites that it could be.

it was fine on my drive 2 skool dis mornin and i aint got loadsa money 2 throw at it 2 sort it either, so any advice is greatly appreciated!

[jakeharvey63]

rite anuva update, jus took it out wiv me dad!

onli seems to jump wen the engine falls below 2000rpm and i onli took it down the road and bck, very very small distance, and the fan cut in! wen accelerating it is fine!

anuva possibility, the exhaust seems to be makin a very slightly rougher sound, but this is a very small change.

[firedance106]

Mine sometimes idles strangely when i am around a telephone like wire/poll whatever they are called thing in the air - well strange

[squeekypigeon]

this was the exact problem i had a couple of weeks ago. just change the air filter and give the throttle housing a clean and it should be sorted

[xXxBlondeyxXx]

my 206 used 2 rev itself! peugeot wanted 2 charge me like 70 quid just 2 put it on a diagnostics machine!! daylight robbery....i sold it before i managed 2 get it looked at lol

was told it was something to do with the fuel the car was puttin in to the engine...something about it thinkin it needs more so it puts more in. Fuel or oxygen i cnt rememba!!

xxx

[firedance106]

If you want not to get ripped off by Peugeot by their diagnostics machine thing - if your with the RAC/AA call them out and they can use theres

[xXxBlondeyxXx]

na dnt go pug its daylight robbery!!

[jakeharvey63]

Nah its nufin like strange idling, the revs literally go up and down, up and down wen the clutch is down comin 2 a stop.

wen raggin the car, it is fine, no jerking or nufin, it is only around 30mph wen the car starts to jerk, wen accelerating and decelerating and even pulls (not picking up speed, but will jus it at a speed and not decelerate,) on its own sumtimes, it will jus sit at 2000rpm and u can feel the car still going.

As i said, all help is much appreciated. Cheers guys!

[liaminllan]

sounds like you have a vacuum problem check all your pipes on the inlet side for leaks mate

[jakeharvey63]

yer it cud be a variety of fings but pretty sure its not anything blowin, or the obvious pedal being stuck!

[gti_marky]

ive had something like this on mine when i first got it. think it was the maff sensor or whatever it is called. it is on the left hand side of the throttle body as u stand in front of the car. there aint much else round the area so it easy to find

will get a pic for you when i get a chance

[jakeharvey63]

cheers marky, dat wud be wicked! yer cos i fort it mite be a sensor, cos theres nufin else visually rong!

[Phil_H]

pretty sure its ur idle valve control it might need cleanin or replacing as mine did all the things that you have said its a common problem and a pain in the arse! lol easy job to do tho!

good luck!!!

[jakeharvey63]

gd stuff, do u know how much these bits are, and if their is any DIY guides on hwo 2 do em!

[jakeharvey63]

oh and are they easy 2 replace, cos me m8s fiesta has this problem and she was quoted £100 to have it dun!!

[stoker]

mine was the map sensor when i had a similar problem mate.

[106_Andy]

seriouslly, mate, its none of them, thats exactlly what i had, the reving goes up, then down then up then down, the exhaust is louder and rough too.
Check for a air leak. Please for gods sake dont get any sensors changed just take it into a garage and get them to check the gasgets around the manifold and the manifold itself.

[106_Andy]

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=7514
more or less my progress blog lmao. i did have the burnt out gasget somewhere so i woulda taken a pic of it but i cant find it. :(

[simon89]

Could be your throttle bodie (give it a clean) , your idle control valve , or your stepper motor. Same thing happened to mine and i cleaned the throttle bodie and that sorted it!

[106turbo]

i also had this problem when i put my new engine in. I got my mate to put it on diagnostics and there turned out to be an over fueling fault. It said there was a short circuit. I checked the whole loom and couldnt find nothing wrong but got it cleared and its been perfect since. Does it do this all the time or is it at certain temps as i found with mine it only done it when the temp was in between quarter and half way?

[jakeharvey63]

i wudnt no wat temp it is, cos it doesnt have a heat gauge, but wen i took it up and down the road the over day, the fan cut in and it was literally a 30 second trip, as if it was overheatin

[jakeharvey63]

rite jus but the idle controll fingy bck on and everyfing is fine, how strange, the car literally fixed itself (for the time being), the pug is alive!

u gotta love the ol' 106!

[Bunny]

Im just about to change my stepper so how would I clear the fault codes

[Tom]

good question! I just fitted my stepper motor, the car is running fine but I don't know about these error codes on the ECU??

[Red106S2]

You need meh magic box of tricks to reset it.

Or someone with a diag machine. Your local garage should know someone who will do it.

[k2 gti]

Morning!

When im sitting in traffic it's fine, but when I rev it slightly it revs to 2k, and sticks there! It doesn't move from there unless I actually put it in gear and move!

HELP :(

[alan4106quiksilver]

sounds like your stepper motor to me.
does any one agree??

[k2 gti]

whats that? expensive fix?

[k2 gti]

that the idle control valve?

[alan4106quiksilver]

yea two torx screws holding it in to the inlet thingy try taking it out and cleaning any crap from it first.

[k2 gti]

would the ecu need mapping again?!?!?! where abouts is it I anit a clue and dont have the haynes manual to hand.. anyone got any pics? lol

[alan4106quiksilver]

no dont need any ecu work.
its at the back of the inlet bit with 16v on it to the right near the top with two wires on it.
can see it with the bonnet open.
just un do it clean it and put it back might just be dirty.
thats what i did and sorted it for me.

[k2 gti]

chers buddy will do it later after work! :)

[Bunny]

What will happen if you replace the stepper motor without clearing the fault code

[Tinbum]

Hi all,

I have a 1999 1.1 zest

Recently it started doing the high revving bit when i stopped at lights, however it hasn't cut out totally yet.

anyways to cut a long story short i took it to the garage and they put it on the tech test and it showed up the stepper motor as being faulty.

They quoted me 210quid i think to get it sorted. Being the tight ar*se that i am i decided to get it cleaned out firstly, which they offered to do for a small fee. So they have cleared the throttle housing etc and it runs much smoother now.

It still revvs up big time though when i stop at lights. So i think i'm gonna have to take the hit and get the stepper motor replaced.

My question is: can you fit these stepper motors urself? is it very tricky?
Does anyone know where to buy them for a decent price?

any help would be greatly welcomed!

many thanks
Tom

I had the same problem, also sometimes when traveling at a constant speed the car would just loose power and then jolt after i put on some more gas. My dad's m8 charge me £80 to change the idle speed wotsitmaflip and it does neither the revving or the loss of powering.

[Sheepy]

I have just replaced mine and it's done fook all. :( What else could it be?

[106_Andy]

Air leak, umm dare i say it lambda, but that might have sown up on the diagnosis test.

[Bunny]

Just replaced my tonight and it has sorted my problem (been playing up for several months). I had it cleaned a while ago at the gargage and they had rounded one of the bolts. I ended up having to take the throttle body off and drilling the bolt out. Still, Im up and running again.

[Tom]

nice work bunny. I replaced mine too and it seems to have done the trick. I didn't clear the Ecu error however. Did u leave your ECU unchanged?

[Red106S2]

nice work bunny. I replaced mine too and it seems to have done the trick. I didn't clear the Ecu error however. Did u leave your ECU unchanged?

Its probley worth noting Tom that having the Error code in the ECU will not affect the running of the car.

If you have replaced the part, then I would not worry about it. If you have a EML on then that could get annoying, but if you havnt then I would leave it.

Again age old wise proverb "If it aint broke, dont fix it"

[Bunny]

I didnt get my error code cleared.

[stoker]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Idle-air-control-Valve-Peugeot-106-206-306-partner_W0QQitemZ230173386707QQihZ013QQcategoryZ10 406QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

will that do the job?

[oasisjohn]

*bump* sorry to bump up an old thread but I had a similar problem with mine after i got it.

Would cut out on idle after 20-30 seconds, if I drove it then it would cut out at low speeds/junctions and nearly always if the engine needed some bite like reversing or on hills.

In the end it needed a new oxygen sensor, icv and the main fix the throttle body had to be replaced.
Now that wasnt cheap!! Peageot were quoting £350+ for a new part, but pug dealership i went to couldnt get one for 2 weeks and were nice enough to give me the part number.

Used a website (wont spam it but if you put breakersyard and .com together you will find it!) to find a second hand part, had 3 quotes back within a hour and found a replacement part for £35. Got it, bought some injection cleaner from halfords, cleaned it up and the dealership fitted.

Problem solved. Get those error codes checked, finding the parts is not that expensive, as you can see this is quite a common issue!

[jham]

hi all

wondering if any 1 could help, when my car idles it shakes/judders. the revs stay fixed at 1000 revs and doeasnt go up nor down and it will neva cut out but i was just concerned as to y it judders about so much?

also i feel ther could be a slight delay when putting my foot down, like ther would be a a pause then the power would kick in not sure if this is relevant to the first problem?

could be fine but as ive never driven a gti b4 im clueless so thort id check if others had same problem?

cheers

[whitcherjoe]

hi. it might have something to do with the idle valve control i think its called. there is a thread on here some were that tells you how to clean it.

were bouts from town u from

[jham]

thats great cheers ill have a search!

im from hedge end its bout 10 minutes from southampton. u might of been ther b4 to some of the meets that used to happen down halfords?

[ryanpletinka]

hi mate.. mines got the exact same problem...cant actually find out what the problem is though?? changed the plugs... the coil pack everything!!! still does it!! so if you find out what it is let me know!!

[Edamski]

give the Throttle body a clean, do a forum search for it. Also they do have a slight hesitation on them the GTi's as standard due to the half a mile of pipework the air has to go through, bit better with an induction kit but even better with a Polished and ported throttle body, but then it doesn't tick over right with a P&P TB on haha

[xXxBlondeyxXx]

myn dont judder as such bt if ur sat in there u can feel that it feels a bit "lumpy" and u can hear it when u stick ur head out the window...ow much will it cost 2 get repaired u think? xxx

[nathang]

my car always used to be abit juddery on tik ova even when it was standard i notice it more now i had head work n that done but i was told thats jus how they tik ova my mates got a 309gti n thats exactly the same!

[jham]

yea i was told its a common thing to tick over a lil rough! maybe it is? i do have a slight whole in my back box so maybe thats making it a lil worse due to back presure n stuff? just tell me to shut up if that sounded stupid im not exsactly mechanicaly minded lol

[nathang]

im not too sure bout that but the joint between the manifold and the de-cat pipe was loose on mine and it that did seem to make it not idle well

[jham]

funny u say that actualy cuz i have a weird noise coming from there which sounds like its not connected properly. ill get under ther on my next day of n take a gander cheers!

[whitcherjoe]

it might be the throttle body like that other m8y said. send joe 106 a PM he will tell ya he has some good guides on this site.

yer i knw were hedge end is. u go down there quite often do ya

[jham]

kk will do. yea pretty much every night as its right were i live n thers nuthin better to do round here lol

[ryanpletinka]

tried cleaning out the throttle body and still judders a lot.. specialy when im sitting in neutral... car feels like its got a 5 inch straight through exhaust on it even though i got a standard exhaust and back box....... my mate reckons his old vts used to do the same and its a pretty standard tick over for that type of engine... still concerns me though... any one got any other ides??? tried to clean out everything including where the spark plugs go...changed plugs and coil pack.... still does it??? coul;d it be the head at all??? problem with the cams or something????

[ryanpletinka]

hi guys.....
hoping somone can help me with my problem without telling me to clean my throttle body!!!!! lol
Basicly I have a slight probelm with my 106 gti...
When im in neutral the car idles fine at about 1000rpm b8ut then it drops a bit to about 900 rpm and then back upto 1000rpm.... but as it does this the car is juddering about constantly like every three seconds??
also when i'm driving at a constant speed the car starts to judder again like its going to stall... if im accelerating or de accelerating this does not happen at all.....? any ideas?
ive tried changing the injectors...spark plugs....coil pack....cleaned throttle body... put a new throttle body on... cleaned the idle controll valve and still does it... PLEASE HEEEEEELLLLLPPPP!!!!

[106_Andy]

clean your throttle ahahahaa...
Nah how about an airleak in the zorst before a lambda sensor, or a lambda sensor being gay...

[ryanpletinka]

funny you mention that as the exhaust is making a funny noise from the new standard back box i've put on.... so shall i try a new lamba sencor ya reckon??

[David106gti]

it wont be down to a backbox leak. could be a lamba sensor or the map sensor is known to play up on the 106's but mine does a simular thing. i have changed everything i can think of and no fix. i just live with it now. idles normally, at about 800rpm then once a month or so, it drops to 400rpm, then shoots up to 1500rpm then stalls, only when the clutch is down. if im coasting and it happens puttin it back in gear and lifting the clutch fires the engine back up anyway. its so incredibly random i have given up on that problem!

[nathang]

its prob fine you jus not used to how it tiks ova iv had a vts and got a gti now and they bth were lumpy on tikova both wen they were standdard and afta i fitted cams exhaust etc..

[ryanpletinka]

so im supposed to live with it lol... theres got to be some sort of resolution?......

[RobShaw]

Hey guys!
I hope someone can help me..

Sometimes when im driving my GTi, i come to stand still and here a pop pop pop. I dont think it is metal on metal but sounds more like air slipping out of a pipe..

I can hear it loudest when im in the car.. and its 100% somehwere down by the right hand wheel.. I think I can hear it most in the car becuase of the echo... but im not sure..

Hope someone can help!

Thanks

Rob

[liaminllan]

strange that mate you had any work done lately???

[RobShaw]

Brake pads change, but that was a while ago now. :(

its certainly a strange one. It doesnt start until I have drove maybe about 1 mile or somthing.. so its like the car has to be hot or somthing like that.. before it starts...

[liaminllan]

go give it a drive mate when it starts get your head under the bonnet and check all around the car you need to locate the noise fella. once i know what its comming from i may be able to help you more

[RobShaw]

Cool Thanks mate!!

I think i might have to take the wheel off. Its hiding somwhere behind there...

Ill go do that in a bit.

thanks again

[liaminllan]

ok mate post here as soon as you locate it, lets hope its not from the cam belt casing.

[liaminllan]

have you had a look mate???

[rich106]

tps mate try a new 1 or new icv

[ryanpletinka]

tps????

[antony]

post up if your gti does [or doesnt] 'hunt' at idle and cuts out sometimes cos it seems everyones does.......................

[Gord]

Mine has only cut out once, and it was a very very warm day and I was sitting at a roundabout. Normally tho if its sitting ticking over, after 30seconds or so it'll die and nearly cut off.

[antony]

Mine has only cut out once, and it was a very very warm day and I was sitting at a roundabout. Normally tho if its sitting ticking over, after 30seconds or so it'll die and nearly cut off.
how many miles on yours cos mine started at about 65'000


also if anyone knows if this is because of the icv or throttle body please let me know as its really begining to tickle my irritability glands

[Gord]

Mines is coming on the 84k mark.

I've heard all 106 GTi's do it tho?

[Steve Saunders]

Mines always been fine... :)

[antony]

Mines always been fine... :)
yours wouldnt you dont drive it!!!!! lol;)

[doely_gti]

mines gr8 tbh...superchip messed it up a bit but it sorted itself out after taking it for a run

[MoonstoneGTi]

Mine idles perfectly around 800-900 mark:)

[joe106gti]

clean your throttle body
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=6991
and check the sensors around it. idle control valve and stuff

[Steve Saunders]

yours wouldnt you dont drive it!!!!! lol;)

Hahaha.. I drove it Wednesday night... For 15 minutes... Not driven it in 3 weeks before that.... Its now SORN, so its staying where it is.... Hahaha.. :p

[Edamski]

my doesn't idle right because of the P&P throttle body it runs lean on tick over. Doesn't cut out on me though on tick over

[jakeharvey63]

basically, in a nut shell, car revs itself, drives itself sumtimes, jerks arounds at lower RPM and this morning i tried startin it cold and it cut out twice before i gave it sum revs and then it started!

did this before and had the idle stepper motor off of it, put it back on, bashed it a couple of times and then it was alrite...for a time!

back to its old tricks now!

is this the idle stepper motor doing this because its sumthing like this, and does anyone have one for a phase 2 99 reg 106 second hand i dont mind, because if its not this then i dont wanna pay full price for a new one!

this is what it looks like:

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v106/35/125/501417917/n501417917_257498_8604.jpg (http://hs.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=257499&id=501417917)

[4937Liam]

Serously mate get a new one! i know you'll pay but i got a second hand one from a scrappy (it was supposed to be the one for me 1.1) put it in my the phase one i had at the time and the engine nearly blew itself up it revved so much!

[ZeroCooL]

im in the process of getting one on my car (its at the garage now!!!)

costing me £82!!!!!

Also that sounds like a possible MAP Sensor issue mate!!!

[Sheepy]

I had exactly the same problem, paid £60 for a new stepper motor and it done sweet F A. Took the throttle body off and clean it, and it sorted it out for a week or two. I am going to do it again but take the sensors out and give it a good going over. Used Carb Cleaner btw.

Matt

[Sheepy]

Serously mate get a new one! i know you'll pay but i got a second hand one from a scrappy (it was supposed to be the one for me 1.1) put it in my the phase one i had at the time and the engine nearly blew itself up it revved so much!

I have taken the stepper motor off of my old pug and i pulled the motor thingy out abit and it had this effect, I found by starting the car and few times it sorted itself out. Having said that i may have push the motor back a bit which had a positive effect.

[Pug_FNM]

I have a problem like that too, when i start the car it idles at about 400/500 revs then starts to rumble them cuts out, it does it every time i start it up unless i start it with a shit load of gas and rev it high then it sorts it out normally

[106_Andy]

air leak?!

[jakeharvey63]

air leak?!

see i thought about this wen u said about it before, but then it would make no sense that it fixed itself for a bit, so surely would have continued anywayz if it was an air leak

[wilson479]

throttle position sensor.

it could also be idle air control valve (bout 30£ on egay, £150 from pugeot)

could be air temp sensor, coolant temp sensor.

i got the same problem at the moment, have cleaned throttle body. gonna rinse out the IACV with WD40 the weekend.

however, the gti ecu is constantly self learning the best configuration for what condition it is operating in.

if you have disconnected your battery since last winter, it will have erased the settings for this temperature!

so give it a good run at sensible speeds, sit in a lot of traffic etc and fingers crossed it will re map itself and sort the problem.

this is what i am doing at the moment!

[scotty]

iv just had new coil pack in mine along with temparature sensor, ecu thought the engine was cold and chucking loads of fuel in and missfireing, how is your fuel ecconomy?

[leeds106]

could also be a dodgy map sensor


best bet in these circumstances is to get it on a diagnostic machine as that will tell you wahats going wrong


otherwise you can be buying loads fo stuff you dont actually need

[wilson479]

my fuel economy is same as before this problem started.

to be honest, the car runs as sweet as ever. its just three times now when sitting in neutral, the exhaust starts shaking, revvs drop from 1k to 500 and back up then eventually it cuts out.

after reading a lot of posts on the net about it, most people was saying the map sensor.

well if the map sensor was forked, then surely i would notice performance issues through the range not just in idle. i took it out and had a look a few weeks ago, had some vapour on it that i thought was condensation but a friend told me its normal fuel fapour..

i read the magnetti marelli (sp) theory section in haynes manual, which leads me to the IACV. but if this was at fault, i would get a rough idle all the time. not just odd occasions.

the intresting part to me was the "self learning" and "warm up" features of the ecu.

my car runs absolutley perfect from start up, its after a few minutes it will play up.

well when you start the car, it is running at factory default settings. after a short time, it will transfer to settings it has learned itself.

so my main thought is that the ECU program is not set up properly in this damp/cold weather we are having.

either this or the temprature sensors have gone out of tolerance in the temprature bands we are facing at the moment.

tomoro im gonna clean my IACV, test and clean the temp sensors (using AutoDATA CD information) then reset the ECU by D/C the battery for 5 mins and give it a good test drive.

wil let ya know what happens!

[wilson479]

well cleaning everything related to this problem had n effect. worked fine for 30mins till i got back into town then cut out at the first sight of a traffic cue.

gonna bite the bullet and stick it on diagnostic machine for £25

[Boyes]

So my car had a new engine in about two weeks ago ( my otherone had a badly warped head) Anyway a direct replacement 1.0 8v 106 engine £65 from scrappers and a garage fitted it for £80 (My dad does business with them..) anyway it's been fine and still runs ok, but my engine is getting louder ever so slightly, when in neutral i can hear a slight rattle, then when I dip the clutch the engine is quiter and doesn't sort of rattle.

Could they have left something loose or it have worked it's way loose? Any help & suggestions would be great. I just want to make sure it isn't the start of a more serious problem thats all.

[rich-gti]

clutch bearing hasnt been replaced

[will_1988]

sounds like gearbox bearings than clutch release bearing, clutch release bearing isn't doing any work when the clutch isn't pressed

[liaminllan]

id say gear box bearings mate mine where quite loud so i changed the gearbox oil for a thicker grade oil and slick 50 its been fine since.

[rich-gti]

its not the gearbox its the clutch bearing

[will_1988]

its not the gearbox its the clutch bearing
from what he's described it's the mainshaft or countershaft bearings in the gearbox, theres a popular misconception about clutch release bearings and gearbox bearings

[Boyes]

Also when in first setting off, when I have enough rev's on the car judders like when the front wheels spinand catch grip, but they don't spin. If this helps?

[Tizer]

when in traffic for instance my car will rev between 10 & 20 on the counter without my foot on the throttle??? is the cable sticking? i think no as it revs up and down then up and down not like it is stuck?

Any ideas???

Thanks

//Rich

[rich106quiksilver]

This is a common problem on 106's could be a number of things...

Coil pack
ICV (idle control value)
MAP Sensor
Coolant Sensor
Dirty Throttle body

Have a search around the forums, quite a few threads on this.

[Ben888]

back feed of the exhaust , bad driving/maintenance seems as if its at fault , but im not sure.
just get anyoen with decent mechanical knollege to check the exhaust , throttlebody , carb and everything else while he's at it.

complete service sounds in order.

[Tizer]

ICV (idle control value) - cheap to replace? and where are they located on the 1.1 pictures would be very helpful =]

[liaminllan]

you dont have to replace it mate unless it is knackerd, just try taking it out and give it a good clean with de-greaser or petrol

[woody_aztec_si]

i wud say idle control valve its on the throttle body

[rich106quiksilver]

Here's a picture on the throttle body of my Quiksilver, not sure on the 1.1 though...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/quiky106/map.jpg

Green = map sensor
Red = ICV

[Raz]

Iacv

[rich106quiksilver]

Iacv

I stand corrected :p

[Tizer]

1.1 is very differant will take pic tomorrow

[Raz]

I stand corrected :p

Sorry fella, wasn't aimed at anyone, just agreed that its most likely the idle air control valve that needs cleaning or replacing. :o

[rich106quiksilver]

No probs Raz, yup its the IACV, seems to be a common problem on 106s!

[Tizer]

http://www.ecotekplc.com/images/Pug106_1.1amkd.jpg

ignore the black arrows as it was taken from a website. now where is that valve???

[squeekypigeon]

exact same problem with me. put it on the diagnostics first and got the idle valve changed. been running pefect ever since. also clean your throttle body as this will help the idle afterwards.

EDIT - the valve is on the same piece where the throttle cable moves near the air filter houseing. cant see it on the pic though

[liaminllan]

the iacv is always just on the engine side of the throtle body, isnt to hard to find, usually a cylinder shape with a plug comming out of it.

[seany_bhoy51]

how do you no when your idle control valve is fooked, coz sometime when i start my car its really lumpy and cuts out so i need to hold my foot on the gas then soon as i get moving its fine, anyone no what the problem is

thanks

[1989_quiksilver]

i got exactly the same problem on my quiksilver i have changed my idle control valve and lambda sensor so i dont know wot else it could b chances are a new idle control valve would sort the problem out on yours but i have run outta ideas on mine so im getting a GTi engine.